Dear Javier,
Thanks for your clarification. I agree with what the others wrote, and I add a comment you might wish to share with your colleagues.
Anyone with the skills to serve as managing editor of a journal is not likely to be at the intern level. This is a position for an academic. It is the kind of thing that department heads will often support with time release, and it is something for a CV.
Copy editing alone is a difficult job when it is done right. At my journal, we have one round of deep copy editing with an external copy editor, and we also have added rounds of copy control and copy editing by the managing editor and the editor-in-chief.
An unpaid intern won't have the time or the skills to do this job properly.
A journal that studies Luigi Pirandello -- 1934 Nobel Laureate in literature -- ought to ensure that copy editing is handled well.
Text formatting and desk-top publishing are a very different range of skills than copy editing or managing the editorial work flow process. You might suggest that your colleagues give this some thought.
Might I recommend a book on the editorial process? They might try
https://www.amazon.com/Opening-Black-Box-Editorship-Baruch/dp/0230013600
by Baruch, Konrad, Aguinis, and Starbuck.
or
https://www.amazon.com/Review-Manuscript-Management-Scientific-Journals/dp/1405131594
by Irene Hames. The Hames book is written for scientific journals, but the issues apply to journals in the humanities. These are the skills that a managing editor will require.
And all of this tends to go far beyond copy editing. Once you work with a manuscript as a managing editor, you will be so familiar with the content that you cannot do serious copy editing. That's why we use an external copy editor at She Ji who does not look at an article until it hits her desk. Then she does copy editing with fresh eyes.
The folks at the Pirandello Society of America are jumbling the roles in a way that will not help them.
Yours,
Ken
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:20:49 -0800, Javier Arbona <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>For whatever it's worth, I agree strenuously with comments about
>internship.
>
>The subject line comes from what I forwarded from a colleague and I didn't
>change it. I will let him know your thoughts.
>
>But just to be clear, in sending it along to this list, I had in mind
>people that might take this as their service notch as part of their job
>requirements in a faculty position, not for students. For the record, I
>also disagree with unpaid internships. Thanks.
>
>*– J.A.*
>*javier.faculty.ucdavis.edu
><http://javier.faculty.ucdavis.edu/> • http://crtmil.ucdavis.edu/
><http://crtmil.ucdavis.edu/>*
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>On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Richard Herriott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I can only agree. Internships should be paid at least the minimum wage.
>> As it is, they amount to free labour and
>> a chance for the wealthy or desperate to make career contacts.
>> ________________________________
>> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
>> research in Design <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Don Norman <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: 08 November 2017 22:32:04
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: possible opportunity for a design student?
>>
>> I make a stronger argument:
>>
>> Design has an ethical obligation to behave with moral integrity.
>>
>> I can understand if a group needs assistance, but has little or no money.
>> Then it should be honest. It should seek *unpaid volunteers* -- it should
>> not call it an internship.
>>
>> However, this particular "opportunity" was even worse.
>>
>> It listed a set of important skills the intern must have to do the job of
>> running the journal -- none of which would be paid for.
>>
>> However, if the person would design the cover, of course they would be
>> paid! Why are editorial skills of less value than design skills?
>> (Interestingly, designers usually have to make the opposite argument.)
>>
>> The Managing Editor is responsible for finalizing the journal for
>> > publication and should be someone with experience at text formatting,
>> > desktop publishing, and copyediting. S/he will work collaboratively with
>> > the journal Editors and the Senior Editor in a professional and timely
>> > manner. The Managing Editor will also assist in copyediting the final
>> > proofs for the journal before it is finalized and sent to press.
>> > This internship position is unpaid; however, if the Managing Editor is
>> also
>> > able to design the journal's cover image s/he will receive compensation
>> for
>> > that design.
>>
>>
>> Shame on Michael Subialka. Shame on the Pirandello Society of America
>>
>> Don Norman
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:00 PM, liliana rodriguez <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > I agreed with this comment!
>> >
>> > Dr Liliana RodriguezPhD @ Loughborough University http://
>> > lilianarodriguez.co.ukhttp://lboro.academia.edu/LilianaRodriguez
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, 8 November 2017, 19:56:37 GMT, Guy Keulemans <
>> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I’m going to respectfully suggest this list shouldn’t be used to promote
>> > unpaid/unwaged labour.
>> >
>> > Considering the kind of skills, experience and even title – “Managing
>> > Editor” – expected, this job seems far from the kind of job that could
>> > reasonably called an internship. If it was my students applying, I would
>> > expect them to be paid.
>> >
>> > --
>> Don Norman
>> Prof. and Director, DesignLab, UC San Diego
>> Design Lab Faculty Recruiting: http://designlab.ucsd.edu/join-us/faculty/
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