Thanks David, that's brilliant - it is the definitive answer from a man who quite clearly knows his stuff.
Good to know there are fellow post-med ceramic lovers out there! I confess to preferring (and being better informed on) stonewares and slipwares to delft but certainly would always give it house room.
Vanessa
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Could not help myself... as I (weirdly) collect Delft tiles. ( I have a nice set of early/mid 17th century military ones :)
Anyway...
This is a Delft tile in manganese dating from the late 17th century (possibly very early 18th) - an example of a biblical tile popular with the Dutch rural middle class at that time. The corner motif suggest the tile is from Rotterdam. (the corner motif is known as oxhead - dating the tile to between 1680 - 1720) The scene is part of John 4:5-42 Where the Samaritan woman gives Jesus a drink from the well.
For dating using motif.. see here:
http://www.delfter-fliese.de/eckmotive_2.htm
But the style of the central design makes me head for the earlier date
Thanks
David
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Thanks to Vanessa and to everyone who has helped on this one. I'll ask you some random questions again in future as this has been a great success Best wishes Val
Dr Val Turner
Shetland Archaeologist
Shetland Amenity Trust, Garthspool,
Lerwick, Shetland, ZE1 0NY
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Hi all,
Ah, the slightly strange period when print sources for these sorts of tiles could by myriad e.g. have a classical renaissance (Italian) influence or even Chinese influence - no end of delft plates represent an English or Dutch landscape with 'Chinese' pagoda or figures sitting in it.
Incidentally, biblical scenes on English tiles are comparatively rare to those on Dutch delft tiles.
Anyone, I'll stop boring you all now. Unfortunately, I don't get to express my love for post-med ceramics very often!
Have a lovely weekend all.
Kind Regards
Vanessa Clarke
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Dear all,
Just thought the distribution of square-ish water troughs with pitched pan-tiled covered structures for covering the water font is pretty limited in northern Europe, but will defer to the experts on tiles.
Cheers
Neil
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Sent: 09 June 2017 15:37
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Val,
Not promoting Aurea's website (just the quickest examples I could lay my hands on) but hopefully you can see the similarities here:
http://englishceramics.com/index.php/product-category/delft/
English and Dutch Delft derives its influence from Italian maiolica (which is earlier in date), which in turn derives its influence from Hispano-Moresque wares, and that from Islamic pottery. This is maybe why Neil has picked up on the Mediterranean link. The production of tin glaze earthenware has been around for a long time.
English and Dutch Delft production starts in the late/last quarter of the 17th century so Keith is maybe correct with his dating - this could just possibly be late 17th century in date but my gut reaction remains more likely to be early to mid 18th century.
Should have said also, its part of a wall tile (not floor).
Kind Regards
Vanessa Clarke
Senior Archaeological Officer (Planning) Environment & Sustainable Communities Bedford Borough Council Borough Hall, Cauldwell Street, Bedford, MK42 9AP
01234 718560 (47560)
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