Support Fiona. I have an urge to push "UNSUBSCRIBE" , but will resist for a while in a subtle hope that this forum will come back to it's goal to advance knowledge exchange despite political climate change.
Best wishes,
Nick Myles
Vancouver
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From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fiona Morgan
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:05 AM
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Godwin's Law rules OK.
It would be nice if we could all keep this polite regardless of where you stand on the question of boycotts.
Thanks
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From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Shaneyfelt, Terry
Sent: 07 February 2017 13:56
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So now we are likening the vetting of potential terrorists to Nazi Germany? Wow!
Ignorance knows no boundaries.
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From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gerd Antes
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:12 AM
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With the terrible German history of the last centery as background I would like to strongly support Ami's points.
To seperate science and politics is not possible in general and particularly not in the context of evidence-based ....
A travel ban directly violates the production and exchange of global knowledge, and systematic lies and twisting facts damages fundamental rules of science.
Difficult to see how addressing these issues on this list should be propaganda. Those who are excluded from meetings and conferences for religious reasons or country of origin certainly deserve our solidarity.
Gerd
On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 04:49:30PM +0000, Ami Banerjee wrote:
> I agree that this is difficult but I would like to offer an alternative
> viewpoint.
> Science depends on open non-discriminatory discourse. For scientific
> meetings to be valid they must be open in a non discriminatory way. I am
> not blaming conference organisers but current US border regulations as
> President Trump would have them, mean that many scientists would not be
> able to attend due to their country of birth or nationality ergo the
> congress is not open.
> I am a cardiologist and epidemiologist and last week's ban affected
> several of my colleagues in that short time. Therefore, I think it is
> simplistic to decide not to debate politics here. That promotes the idea
> of ivory tower academia that does not engage with society. As long as my
> colleagues can't attend, and the conferences are not open, I am not
> attending either.
>
> In my own country, the UK, this morning I attended a scientific panel in
> Parliament to debate the impact of Brexit on UK science.There are many
> scientific fora which are debating this point, and should be debating this
> point, in my opinion, because if we the science community do not, then
> other people will decide for us.
> Evidence-based healthcare has led the way in rooting out lies,
> "alternative facts" and "fake news" in healthcare, and in public debate
> for several decades. There have been many calls for "evidence-based
> policymaking" but the uptake of this paradigm has been disappointing in
> many respects, and it is particularly threatened in many countries right
> now, including the US and the UK. Therefore, I believe this listserver can
> be a home for respectful debate.
> Best wishes
> Ami
> On 6 February 2017 at 16:30, Glen Burgoyne <[1][log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> I strongly agree. If we were to follow through with this policy we are
> just hurting our own. The sponsors of medical conferences in the USA 🇺🇸
> have nothing to do with the current political events there.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Alan Adelman
> <[2][log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Agree with Terry Shaneyfelt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Shaneyfelt, Terry
> <[3][log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> This doesn’t have anything to do with evidence based healthcare.
>
> This listserv should not a medium for propagating political agendas.
>
>
>
> From: Evidence based health (EBH)
> [[4]mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Juan
> Gérvas
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 4:46 AM
> To: [5][log in to unmask]
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Boycott Conferences in the US
>
>
>
> Solidarity People Affected ‘Muslim Ban’: Call for an Academic
> Boycott of International Conferences held in the US.
>
> [6]https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNN_2HHREt1h-dm_CgWpFHw8N
> DPGLCkOwB4lLRFtKFJqI25w/formResponse
>
> -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas
>
> --
>
> Dr Amitava Banerjee
> Senior Clinical Lecturer in Clinical Data Science and Honorary Consultant
> Cardiologist
>
> Farr Institute of Health Informatics Research
>
> University College London
>
> E-mail: [7]ami[8][log in to unmask]
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> [9][log in to unmask]
> Tel:02035495449
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> Website: [10]http://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/browse/profile?upi=ABANE83
> Twitter:amibanerjee1
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> References
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> 7. https://mail.bham.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C=vttMZLWdjUK-owgyxhsh2sPQIxmyxdEIIoW6pyyMCfpf9paPSel1CkyFCPv7jaXNa1U4_MfZrns.&URL=mailto%3aa.banerjee.1%40bham.ac.uk%3b
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> 10. http://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/browse/profile?upi=ABANE83
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