A good start would be to banish online social media and only use old 
fashioned newspapers as an outlet for any discourse in society. That 
includes banning reader unvetted comments sections on online newspapers.

All those "follow us on facebook/twitter" links on webpages may seem nifty 
and cute. But given the numbers of followers they devalue the authority of 
the messenger.

Rob

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elton Zeqiraj
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] just out of totally idle 
curiosity ...

Instead of making this about Trump, I would like to pose a different 
question: How are we going to deal with the anti-expert movement that is now 
so prominent in our society?

Cheers,
Elton




On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Tristan Croll <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


In the interests of promoting understanding... the link below is to an 
article on what is ostensibly a comedy website and contains a bit of coarse 
language, but nevertheless is quite possibly the most insightful exposition 
of the situation I've come across. The two-sentence synopsis: don't think of 
this as the forces of hate, fear and ignorance winning. Think of it as a cry 
for attention from a large number of people who are seriously struggling and 
(mostly correctly) see their problems as being ignored by the system. 
Writing them off as ignorant and hateful isn't the answer.

In agreement with various others, this is my first and last post referencing 
politics or religion on this forum.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

On 2016-11-10 08:00, Marjolein Thunnissen wrote:
Dear Bill,
I fully agree with you, awareness has to be spread and one should not
ignore politics completely, especially when there are so strong
anti-intellectual (anti-science) statements out there.
best regards
Marjolein
On 10 Nov 2016, at 04:17, William G. Scott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear Edward et al:
I agree we shouldn’t engage in partisan arguments on the CCP4bb.
However, I think it is a mistake, and perhaps a missed opportunity,
to ignore politics completely.
For example, Newt Gingrich is currently in the running for Sec HHS.
He has previously written editorials in the NYT and Wall Street
Journal advocating doubling the budget of the NIH.
I think it is incumbent upon us to make our voices heard if such an
opportunity arises, regardless of what one may happen to think about
the individual’s political orientation, as it could potentially be
of enormous benefit to the scientific community.
Yours faithfully,
William G. Scott
Director, Program in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Professor, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA
http://scottlab.ucsc.edu [1]
On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Edward Snell <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
As a Brexit and Trumpet affected person having a foot in both
countries ,this topic is too far off the normal discussion on CCP4
and probably better taken up privately. CCP4 is not a political
discussion site. With CCP4 the signal is unusually high and the
noise low when compared to any discussion board. I for one would
like to keep it there. Political views aside, we’re all trying
to achieve the same scientific goals. Let’s remember that and
keep that the focus.
Edward Snell Ph.D.
President and CEO Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute
Assistant Prof. Department of Structural Biology, University at
Buffalo
700 Ellicott Street, Buffalo, NY 14203-1102
Phone: (716) 898 8631 Fax: (716) 898 8660
Skype: eddie.snell Email: [log in to unmask]
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Heisenberg was probably here!
DR. MARJOLEIN THUNNISSEN
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MAX IV Laboratory
Lund University
P.O. Box 118, SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden
Visiting address: Fotongatan 2, 225 94 Lund
Telephone: +46 46 2224668
Mobile: +46 766 32 04 17
www.maxliv.lu.se [2]
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