Many thanks to all those who have commented on my tooth. I am working at
home today, but when I am back in the office on Wednesday I will try to
get some better pics and give some more details.
Many thanks again zooarch community!
Julia
On 2016-10-24 10:40, Tania Kausmally wrote:
> Correction human but M1 lower right ? My best guess :)
> Tania
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> Having not checked my books yet, this looks suspiciously human to me.
> Unerupted crown of a 2nd molar?
> Tania (ossa freelance)
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> Sorry to jump in so late.
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> Richard; the lower M3 of bear is far too large/long. Julia indicated
> it is about 8 mm, the one from bear is about 18-20 mm. I have 2.5
> months and 9 months old bear cubs, I think I can exclude bear.
>
> Then, just a thought: Lower M2 of badger. Does not fit completely with
> the specimens at hand, but if Julia could check the original tooth,
> might be worth a try,
>
> cheers,
>
> Vern
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> Deb
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> I imagine the unerupted crowns of deciduous bear teeth are only a
> little less scarce than the proverbial hens' teeth.
>
> However the illustrations here look promising, particularly the
> lowest left illustration.
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> https://wwwresearchgate.net/figure/284132836_fig4_Fig-4-Upper-and-lower-Ursus-etruscus-molars-VM10284-A-occlusal-A-1-lingual-A-2
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> Julia - you would do us a favour if you Dropboxed some more pictures
> of the tooth - in particular one looking down onto the occlusal
> surface.
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> Richard
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> Richard, you are a careful worker. Happily we have textbooks to tell
> us
> what unerupted baby teeth look like. However, now that you've made it
> possible for me to see the images -- geez, I agree with your first
> observation more strongly. Those cusps are pretty darned high and
> pointy!
>
> I now think it's not a pig; cusps too high and the tooth is too fat
> and
> wide for an inferior tooth of a pig. But somebody on this list
> suggested
> "bear"....does anybody have a bear cub to compare to? I have adult
> bear
> but no cubs. Just to make double sure if nothing else. -- Deb Bennett
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> > I find that I was mistaken in my previous reply.
> >
> > If this is a human unerupted deciduous mandibular molar then one
> > should not expect to see developmental fissures between the cusps.
> >
> > Scheuer and Black (in _Developmental Juvenile Osteology_ page
> 156-157)
> > cite Kraus and Jordan's 1965 book _The Human Dentition Before
> Birth_.
> >
> > Scheur and Black write: "The mandibular molars lack the
> characteristic
> > pattern of grooves and pits, which only develop with later
> postnatal
> > deposition of enamel."
> >
> > So I think it is back to considering the crown to be human.
> >
> > I don't have Kraus and Jordan's book, but a snippet I read on
> Google
> > Books starts, but does not complete, a description of the crown of
> > what might be the tooth in question.
> >
> > One lives and learns - thanks in part to ZOOARCH!
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> > Richard
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> > Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:18:00 +0100
> > Subject:[ZOOARCH] Friday tooth quiz
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> > Hello All,
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> > I would be interested to see your thoughts on this tooth. It comes
> > from a multi-phase henge site in Hertfordshire, UK. I have a couple
> of
> > thoughts on what it might be, but wanted to canvas opinion. As you
> can
> > probably see from the photos it has no root development and is
> unworn.
> > Biro lid for scale, the tooth is about 8mm in length.
> >
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> > Many thanks in advance.
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