On 12/09/2016 22:46, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In the Middle East, ululation is expected at funerals. I look forward
> to hearing what others have to say about the alcohol, which of course
> in many Middle Eastern countries is not allowed to be drunk.
it's one of those regular questions - did the "sombre stiff upper lip"
come with the Victorian? Or were Victorians just sticking to a long held
culture in Britain of "silent respect" rather than uluation?
For info: I've now transcribed the whole text which has some other
interesting cultural features for most in Britain such as the question
"who will hold your photo at the funeral" and "who gave you your
heredity" (which I didn't quite understand so replaced with "who is your
next of kin").
(This is part of a project to compare and contrast "battle speeches"
from various cultures - both the "public" versions that get recorded as
great works as well as the kind of language used by real soldiers)
> *From:* Michael <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 5:22 AM
> *Subject:* [BRITARCH] Rubbing alcohol on wrists at funeral
> I've come across a strange translation referring to what might happen to
> someone in Turkey if they died at their funeral. It reads:
> " Your neighbours are trying to calm your mother ...They are doing
> massage to your mother's wrists with alcohol."
> There's clearly an expectation that the mother would need calming down -
> but I'm unfamiliar with the proposed method. It's clearly a bad
> translation - so I was wondering whether I should change "alcohol" to
> something like "oil" or perfume but I can't find anything referring to
> this "ritual". Worse, I associate rubbing things on bodies more with
> corpses than mothers.
> However, the whole expectation of the behaviour of close (women) at the
> funeral is very foreign to me. In Britain we don't expect the "mother"
> to make a scene like this - but in Turkey it appears to be a cultural
> expectation. And in Britain if any alcohol is used I would expect it to
> be drunk - but not too much to AVOID making a scene.
> Which then begs the question - how far back does this "stiff upper lip"
> culture at British funerals go? And for example, in Roman Britain (i.e.
> the combination of Eastern and British Culture) - would it be expected
> that the close women relatives need "calming down" at a funeral, or
> would it be more like the typical British "stiff upper lip" we see today?