What is "high standard"? Who judges this?
Whose will prevails in matters of artistic standards?
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:58:32 +0000, "Taylor, Steven S" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Forwarding this response from Piers - I concur that Jane Hilberry¹s point
> is about insistence on good craftsmanship and I wonder if that gets us to
> a different conversation than talking about quality in art products?
>
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> On 6/9/16, 1:25 PM, "[log in to unmask]"
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> >Hmmm. Muddle here about craft and art I think. Well crafted can be
> >unoriginal. Profound can be, on the face of it rough, but never poorly
> >crafted. Peter Brook useful here? Poor theatre vs deadly theatre. Artists
> >very rarely produce good art let alone people in a workshop. An
> >insistence on good craftsmanship is a very useful constraint when trying
> >to bring about insight in a group (Jane Hilberry's point I think).
> >Artists don't make "Art" remember, they make books or plays or films or
> >paintings and if they are making a living at it, what they make will be
> >well crafted.
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "Taylor, Steven S" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sender: "Aesthetics, Creativity, and Organisations Research Network"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 12:15:47
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: "Taylor, Steven S" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Quality of art products in arts-based methods in organizations
> >
> >Hi, everyone
> >
> >Last week at EURAM, Philippe Mairesse spoke about his work with
> >accounting students and talked about how he pushed the students to do
> >work that was better art. I am also struck that Jane Hilberry also spoke
> >about how she pushes students to write better poetry
> >(http://digitalcommons.wpi.edu/oa/vol1/iss1/6/). This has gotten me
> >thinking about the question of quality of the art (product/outcome) when
> >using arts-based methods for leadership/managerial development in short
> >does it matter if the art is good if we¹re not doing it to produce good
> >art? I don¹t think anyone would claim that the LEGO sculptures created in
> >a Serious Play process are good art, or even that the facilitators try to
> >get people to create better (rather worse) art as part of the process.
> >
> >My first take on this is that pushing for better quality art also pushes
> >farther into deeply embodied and often mysterious knowing and away from
> >just representing our cognitive processes in visual (or poetic or
> >whatever) forms. It pushes us into more ambiguous and more interesting
> >forms that also allow to go to new places (Barry & Meisiek¹s departures)
> >than something more straight forward and cognitive does. Thus the push
> >for better art also has a very useful purpose.
> >
> >So, what do you think? How does concern for the quality of the art
> >product/outcome fit into your own practice of arts-based methods in
> >organizations (if you have one and it does)? How would you think about
> >this? What questions does this raise for you?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Steve Taylor
> >
> > Steven S. Taylor, PhD
> >[cid:4FEA4C90-AEE4-4F3C-99DF-657EB4452699]
> >
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