> So everyone who doesn't support your viewpoint is ' on an eu gravy train'.
> That is very insulting to those of us who have never found a gravy train
to board but are in favour of the EU.
> I could as reasonably say all the cranks and the people living in the
past want to leave the EU. But i wouldnt dream of expressing so gross a
> I'll leave them to you.
> kevin flude
> blog: http://anddidthosefeet.blogspot.co.uk
> On May 25, 2016 12:05 PM, "Michael" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Unlike Hugo, who is using publicly paid for University resources to
campaign on this forum, I have taken time out to work for free on the vote
>> But, unlike Hugo, I have been keeping quiet as I did not thing it was
>> But as I see several people supporting the raising of this subject, what
I'm hearing loud and clear (from all those except the ones on the EU gravy
train) is that the EU is the worst thing that has happened to our country
and that if you value democracy you will vote to leave, because otherwise
it will be the last meaningful vote we have.
>> Back to archaeology?
>> Mike Haseler
>> On 24/05/2016 18:07, Blake, Hugo wrote:
>>> Academics who favour Britain remaining in the European Union may care
>>> The site is morphing into Academics for Britain in Europe.
>>> From: Andrew Knapp [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: 18 May 2016 22:47
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Four important things for Historians for Britain in Europe
>>> Dear colleagues
>>> Please try and read all of this longish e-mail if you possibly can!
>>> We seem to be doing quite well: moving up towards 250. Many thanks to
all who made this possible by circulating the site address. Keep it going.
>>> Four important things to mention.
>>> 1 Donations?
>>> So far we have built this site on the donations of a few people. We
have now spent through that and are still making calls on James, our
webmaster (whose firm is Metagames), to add more people, links to things
you have written, and so on.
>>> So there is now a Donate button. Please could you think about making a
donation, even a small one, to keep us going? A little from everyone would
>>> If you don't want to use the Donate button, you can make a donation
>>> 2 Reception at no. 11 Downing Street, and using our logo
>>> I have been invited to attend a reception for In historians at no. 11
Downing Street. It is possible that several big-name historians will sign
up to our statement, and I hope the site, in the course of this event. I
have been asked if I mind our logo being used for the occasion, to which
media will be invited (how much notice they take, of course, cannot be
>>> I personally don't mind. But I don't consider the logo to be my
personal property and if there were an outcry among the supporters - you -
against it being shown in what some might regard as the foe's lair, then I
would think again. My view, however, is that this will be a cross-party
event and it will be a unique opportunity to gain visibility and to tell
the media loud and clear that the great majority of the profession is in
favour of In.
>>> I shall therefore take silence for consent. If I don't hear substantial
protests before 1900 Thursday 19 May, UK time, I shall assume you are OK
with this and go ahead.
>>> 3 Students and young people
>>> Forgive me for plugging this again, if you signed up a while ago, but
as you probably know, the result of this referendum may well turn on
whether young people register and turn out to vote. See, for example,
>>> Few things in this contest are more important. With that in mind, do
see the 'mobilising students' notes attached [below].
>>> 4 Classicists - and others?
>>> As you may know, I have grandiose ambitions to turn this site into
Academics for Britain in Europe. This may not work in time; but we have a
group of classicists waiting to go, so the site may morph to Academics, but
keeping Historians as the biggest section, in the next few days. I shall
keep you posted. And if any of you have colleagues in other disciplines who
are keen to join and lead a small or large cohort from their discipline in,
now is the time to suggest it!
>>> All good wishes and thanks again for your support
>>> Andrew Knapp
>>> Mobilising students
>>> Students are expected to vote in a ratio of about two or three for In
to one Outer.
>>> But the problem is turnout. According to the Economist of 7 May 2016
(and this is hardly a contested view), older voters are stronger for Out
and more likely to vote. Overall turnout of below 60% will almost certainly
secure a victory for Out; above it and we will probably stay In.
>>> So student 'apathy' - or at least, the pressing concerns of
examinations, finding a summer job or a permanent one, and moving house,
which all crowd in on student life at about this time - are our enemies.
There is no magic bullet to beat them.
>>> Universities UK is strongly pro-In (see
http://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/Pages/default.aspx - Universities for
Europe is bottom left)
>>> and so is the NUS (
>>> and so is this group of academics
>>> and this one from Royal Holloway http://theorbital.co.uk/14596-2/
>>> Universities themselves, though may be much more concerned to be
'impartial'. At Reading, this is true both of the Students' Union and of
the University itself. It means no leafleting on campus (though I managed
to do some last term) and no official In event allowed without an Out
speaker, either at the same event or a subsequent one. Different
universities may have different positions on this, but my impression is
that Reading is not exceptional here.
>>> So if you are keen to mobilise students, you can either encourage them
to vote In as the two groups above have done, or just tell them to be sure
to vote, and hope that the three-to-one ratio will deliver the result.
Which you choose will depend on your relations with your students, on your
university's position on the matter, and on what is already being done.
>>> Registering to vote, and postal votes
>>> Impartiality does not exclude encouraging students to get on the
register and to vote. At Reading, both the University and the students'
union are doing this.
>>> A good thing to do would be to find out what is currently being done at
your university. If the answer is nothing, then try to get the University
authorities and the students' union to encourage voting. They should be
crucial allies if they will play, because they have the longest mailing
lists. If that doesn't work, or even if it does, use your student lists,
tweets, and any other means to hand, to underline the importance of voting.
And e-mail colleagues in all subjects and tell them to do the same.
>>> With that in mind, use the sites below.
>>> Registering to vote, and postal votes - contd.
>>> To vote at the referendum you have to register by 7 June. The online
form is here
>>> this one, interestingly, gives the government's pro-EU line under an
>>> and this one gives details on postal voting (applications must reach
the local electoral registration office by 5PM on 8 June - and the lead
time must be taken into account, so early steps should be taken):
>>> Encouraging an In vote
>>> Probably the best way in to this is via individual students whom you
know, or via your own mailing lists. It is a matter of judgement how well
you think students will respond. But here, for what it is worth, are a few
>>> http://studentsforeurope.org/ is the obvious one for students wishing
to get involved;
(you need to get past the initial letter to the posters - they are
(a good 7-point condensed argument)
>>> and a couple of others https://www.donteuleave.com/ and
>>> More officially, we have
>>> http://www.strongerin.co.uk/ (the main Stronger In website)
>>> http://www.britishinfluence.org/ (British Influence - right of centre
but good newletter you can sign up to)
>>> Depending on your political preference, you may like Labour In
>>> or the Lib Dems
>>> or the Tories
>>> or the Greens
>>> https://www.greenparty.org.uk/europe .... (but curiously enough, there
is no equivalent UKIP site...).