JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for CCPEM Archives


CCPEM Archives

CCPEM Archives


CCPEM@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

CCPEM Home

CCPEM Home

CCPEM  March 2016

CCPEM March 2016

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: 16 bit vs 32 bit

From:

"Ludtke, Steven J" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Ludtke, Steven J

Date:

Wed, 9 Mar 2016 17:55:09 +0000

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (1 lines)

32 bit is definitely a waste of space. 



If you are using a K2 in counting mode, then obviously keeping more bits than the maximum number of counts you can get in one frame is pointless. This is why there is a 4-bit variant of the MRC format (unfortunately unofficial, but SerialEM will use it in some cases). Yes, many people are actively collecting movie data with only 4 bits per pixel.



Now, if you're using integrating mode, things become a bit more complicated. Even if what you want in the end is the same "number of counts" you get from the counting mode detector, this signal is buried in point-spread, etc, and if you keep too few bits, you will lose some information. Bottom line is that you need more bits for this than for counting mode, but probably not too many more. For movie-mode imaging, where the e-/pixel/frame is low, there is little point in keeping a lot of bits. 



I think Fred Sigworth did some formal estimates recently... I think even in integrating mode, for movie frames, 8 bits is more than sufficient. 





> On Mar 9, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Edoardo D'Imprima <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> 

> Dear all,

> 

> I have a general question about cryo-data collection with direct detectors: does it make any difference in terms of high resolution image processing to collect movies in 16 bit vs 32 bit? In principle one can save quite a lot of storage space but I’m not so sure that this procedure will be harmless. Are the high resolution components somehow damaged during the normalisation or particle alignment? 

> 

> Is there any experience regarding this topic? 

> 

> Any suggestion will be very appreciated, many thanks in advance.

> 

> Edoardo

> ---------------------------------------------------

> Edoardo D'Imprima

> PhD Student

> Max Planck Institute of Biophysics

> Structural Biology Department

> Max-von-Laue Straße 3

> 60438 Frankfurt am Main

> Germany

> 

> Tel: +49 (0) 69 6303 3015



Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager