re: Spargo. At the risk of stating the obvious, have you read his book "The Mines of Wales" pub. 1870 / reprinted 1976? To be read in context of mines "promotion" of the time. Yours Steve Gray
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2. Cornish Captains in North Wales and Thomas Trevithick (2)
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:43:55 +0000
From: David Hardwick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
Dear All
Not quite the same but a similar thread if it helps
Have been researching Trevithick, Thomas the mine manger at Frampton Cotterell Iron Mine in the 1870s
Originally from Cornwall (as the name suggests but also an assayer on Anglesey (as well as a Californian Gold rush miner)
Anyone with any additional info on him?
David
On 13 Dec 2015, at 18:39, Claughton, Peter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Edmund Spargo turned up in conversation today at the Welsh Mimes Preservation Trust meeting - he wrote a report on Cwmbyr which turned up in the BGS archives. There may be others of his in that repository.
>
> Peter
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> Dr Peter Claughton - Mobile phone +44 (0)7831 427599
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> From: Lynne Mayers<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 13/12/2015 12:30
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> Subject: [mining-history] Cornish Captains in North Wales
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> Does anyone have information on the movements of the following Cornish Mine Captains in North Wales please (the brackets denote where I know they were), but I suspect they may have been other places too:
>
> Richard Dutson/Datson (Beddgelert)
> George Davey (LLandudno)
> William Pascoe (Sygun)
> Jonathan Rawlings (LLandudno)
> Joseph Tamblyn (Llnadudno)
> Edmund Spargo (Snowdon)
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> Many thanks,
>
> Lynne
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:09:24 -0000
From: Lynne Mayers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales and Thomas Trevithick
Many thanks to all who have already contributed information on these Cornish
miners. It has been most helpful.
This is what I have on Thomas Trevithick at Parys Mountain (from Amlwch
Heritage Trust + Census records):
John Treweek, in turn, was replaced by Cornish engineers Captain Thomas
Trevithick and Captain James Williams, sometime after 1870, although the
former was acting as mine agent in 1861, living in a house on Cemaes Road
with his wife Sarah. He had been born in Stithians in 1818, and she in
Crowan in 1819. He continued to be described mine agent in the Amlwch
census in 1871 and 1881
Lynne
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Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
Dear All
Not quite the same but a similar thread if it helps
Have been researching Trevithick, Thomas the mine manger at Frampton
Cotterell Iron Mine in the 1870s
Originally from Cornwall (as the name suggests but also an assayer on
Anglesey (as well as a Californian Gold rush miner)
Anyone with any additional info on him?
David
On 13 Dec 2015, at 18:39, Claughton, Peter <[log in to unmask]>
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> Edmund Spargo turned up in conversation today at the Welsh Mimes
> Preservation Trust meeting - he wrote a report on Cwmbyr which turned up
> in the BGS archives. There may be others of his in that repository.
>
> Peter
>
> Dr Peter Claughton - Mobile phone +44 (0)7831 427599
> ________________________________
> From: Lynne Mayers<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 13/12/2015 12:30
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [mining-history] Cornish Captains in North Wales
>
> Does anyone have information on the movements of the following Cornish
> Mine Captains in North Wales please (the brackets denote where I know they
> were), but I suspect they may have been other places too:
>
> Richard Dutson/Datson (Beddgelert)
> George Davey (LLandudno)
> William Pascoe (Sygun)
> Jonathan Rawlings (LLandudno)
> Joseph Tamblyn (Llnadudno)
> Edmund Spargo (Snowdon)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Lynne
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:31:55 -0000
From: David Williams <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
David and Lynne
You may care to have a look at
Smith, D. (1994) The Life and Essays of William Vivian, Cornish Mining
Engineer, 1817 to 1879. British Mining 50 pp100-110
Most of your people are mentioned in this article.
Dave
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Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
Dear All
Not quite the same but a similar thread if it helps
Have been researching Trevithick, Thomas the mine manger at Frampton
Cotterell Iron Mine in the 1870s Originally from Cornwall (as the name
suggests but also an assayer on Anglesey (as well as a Californian Gold rush
miner)
Anyone with any additional info on him?
David
On 13 Dec 2015, at 18:39, Claughton, Peter <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Edmund Spargo turned up in conversation today at the Welsh Mimes
Preservation Trust meeting - he wrote a report on Cwmbyr which turned up in
the BGS archives. There may be others of his in that repository.
>
> Peter
>
> Dr Peter Claughton - Mobile phone +44 (0)7831 427599
> ________________________________
> From: Lynne Mayers<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 13/12/2015 12:30
> To:
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [mining-history] Cornish Captains in North Wales
>
> Does anyone have information on the movements of the following Cornish
Mine Captains in North Wales please (the brackets denote where I know they
were), but I suspect they may have been other places too:
>
> Richard Dutson/Datson (Beddgelert)
> George Davey (LLandudno)
> William Pascoe (Sygun)
> Jonathan Rawlings (LLandudno)
> Joseph Tamblyn (Llnadudno)
> Edmund Spargo (Snowdon)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Lynne
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 13:48:36 -0000
From: Lynne Mayers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
Thanks!
Lynne
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Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
David and Lynne
You may care to have a look at
Smith, D. (1994) The Life and Essays of William Vivian, Cornish Mining
Engineer, 1817 to 1879. British Mining 50 pp100-110
Most of your people are mentioned in this article.
Dave
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From: mining-history [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
David Hardwick
Sent: 14 December 2015 08:44
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Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
Dear All
Not quite the same but a similar thread if it helps
Have been researching Trevithick, Thomas the mine manger at Frampton
Cotterell Iron Mine in the 1870s Originally from Cornwall (as the name
suggests but also an assayer on Anglesey (as well as a Californian Gold rush
miner)
Anyone with any additional info on him?
David
On 13 Dec 2015, at 18:39, Claughton, Peter <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Edmund Spargo turned up in conversation today at the Welsh Mimes
Preservation Trust meeting - he wrote a report on Cwmbyr which turned up in
the BGS archives. There may be others of his in that repository.
>
> Peter
>
> Dr Peter Claughton - Mobile phone +44 (0)7831 427599
> ________________________________
> From: Lynne Mayers<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 13/12/2015 12:30
> To:
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [mining-history] Cornish Captains in North Wales
>
> Does anyone have information on the movements of the following Cornish
Mine Captains in North Wales please (the brackets denote where I know they
were), but I suspect they may have been other places too:
>
> Richard Dutson/Datson (Beddgelert)
> George Davey (LLandudno)
> William Pascoe (Sygun)
> Jonathan Rawlings (LLandudno)
> Joseph Tamblyn (Llnadudno)
> Edmund Spargo (Snowdon)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Lynne
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:18:43 +0000
From: David Hardwick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales and Thomas Trevithick
Thanks Lynne
The Amlwch database (online) has him in the 1861 census but NOT in the 1871 & 1881
He is in Frampton Cotterell in 1871 - if it is the same guy - and from memory he had died prior to the 1881 census
I haven’t been able to find reference to him in the 1871 &1881 census for Amlwch - can you check where your reference that he "continued to be described mine agent in the Amlwch census in 1871 and 1881” since if that is the case I may have the wrong man
The website of the Parys Underground Group (http://www.parysmountain.co.uk/) includes the quote
"However things went down hill again after 1870 when the lease was pasted to Parys Mines Reconstructed Ltd. Some of the engineers like Captain Trevithick and Williams left the mine"
I haven’t yet tracked down the source of that but it does suggest he left in time to appear in Frampton Cotterell at the time of the 1871 Census
The Williams they refer to is James Williams and their site also includes the comment that James Williams was a
"… Mona mine assayer in 1857 who earned £108 pa.
James Williams left with Captain Trevithick in 1870 to start work in Canada."
There is ambiguity in the second sentence in that although they both left in 1870 it is unclear if they both went to Canada. The Parys Underground group clearly do since the same site also indicates regarding Thomas Trevithick that
"Captain [Trevethick] left to go to Canada as a mining captain in 1870 due to poor conditions at PM."
It may be that there was an intention to go to Cnada and he never got there (Williams may have) and the answer may be in the original source but again it is one I have not tracked down yet
NB - if your info that they replaced John Treweek in 1870 is correct and they left for Canada &/or Gloucestershire in the same year they didn’t have that role long
Regards
David
http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/newdata/databases/Amlwch%201881.htm
On 14 Dec 2015, at 10:09, Lynne Mayers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Many thanks to all who have already contributed information on these Cornish miners. It has been most helpful.
>
> This is what I have on Thomas Trevithick at Parys Mountain (from Amlwch Heritage Trust + Census records):
>
> John Treweek, in turn, was replaced by Cornish engineers Captain Thomas Trevithick and Captain James Williams, sometime after 1870, although the former was acting as mine agent in 1861, living in a house on Cemaes Road with his wife Sarah. He had been born in Stithians in 1818, and she in Crowan in 1819. He continued to be described mine agent in the Amlwch census in 1871 and 1881
>
> Lynne
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Hardwick
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 8:43 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Cornish Captains in North Wales
>
> Dear All
>
> Not quite the same but a similar thread if it helps
>
> Have been researching Trevithick, Thomas the mine manger at Frampton Cotterell Iron Mine in the 1870s
> Originally from Cornwall (as the name suggests but also an assayer on Anglesey (as well as a Californian Gold rush miner)
>
> Anyone with any additional info on him?
>
> David
>
> On 13 Dec 2015, at 18:39, Claughton, Peter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Edmund Spargo turned up in conversation today at the Welsh Mimes Preservation Trust meeting - he wrote a report on Cwmbyr which turned up in the BGS archives. There may be others of his in that repository.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Dr Peter Claughton - Mobile phone +44 (0)7831 427599
>> ________________________________
>> From: Lynne Mayers<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: 13/12/2015 12:30
>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: [mining-history] Cornish Captains in North Wales
>>
>> Does anyone have information on the movements of the following Cornish Mine Captains in North Wales please (the brackets denote where I know they were), but I suspect they may have been other places too:
>>
>> Richard Dutson/Datson (Beddgelert)
>> George Davey (LLandudno)
>> William Pascoe (Sygun)
>> Jonathan Rawlings (LLandudno)
>> Joseph Tamblyn (Llnadudno)
>> Edmund Spargo (Snowdon)
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Lynne
>>
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