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Re: Statement on behalf of our community on the Paris attacks

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Torsten Heinrich <[log in to unmask]>

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Torsten Heinrich <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 16 Nov 2015 23:53:29 +0100

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Dear Loet (if I may),

thanks for speaking up about that point. I believe, it should be
discussed and probably should have been discussed earlier.

As I understand it, both points you refer to (drones and lead) are
meant to protest against calls for blind revenge, for an equally
violent response as typically voiced by the extreme right wing.

With respect to the perpetrators of the attacks, I agree that it is
absolutely necessary to deal with them (see my email yesterday). The
same goes for the numerous other crimes committed by Daesh and its
associates.

May I assume that your questions imply that you are bewildered by our
failure to discuss that in the statement?
I believe, the reason for this is not that we wanted to call for
pacifism in the face of religious militants who are clearly not
interested in pacifism and seek, in fact, to destroy it alongside with
every other liberal value or idea.
The reason for this is that the statement was to be brief and that
there is no lack of statements that call for a quick and merciless
response.

Best,

Torsten


On 11/16/2015 09:29 PM, Loet Leydesdorff wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> In addition to an expression of your intentions, you formulate in
> the conclusions (?) as follows:
> 
> "We prefer drones offering Internet access to drones packed with
> explosives. Better dropping laptops than bombs."
> 
> Is this meant to protest against the use of drones by the
> Americans? Or the bombs dropped by the French army in retaliation?
> What do you want? How does this relate to the attacks in Paris? Who
> are you protesting against: the attacks or the reactions to the
> attacks?
> 
> You then continue: "Mind that lead is better used for printing than
> for bullets!" Is this a appeal to pacificism?
> 
> Best, Loet
> 
> 
> Loet Leydesdorff Professor, University of Amsterdam Amsterdam
> School of Communication Research (ASCoR) [log in to unmask] ;
> http://www.leydesdorff.net/ Honorary Professor, SPRU, University of
> Sussex; Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; Visiting
> Professor, ISTIC, Beijing; Visiting Professor, Birkbeck, University
> of London; 
> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: News and discussion about computer
> simulation in the social sciences [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Torsten Heinrich Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:43
> PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SIMSOC] Statement on
> behalf of our community on the Paris attacks
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> for the sake of completeness:
> 
> The link to the twitter post is 
> https://twitter.com/GCSCS_RuG/status/666324786344288256
> 
> The link to the image is 
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT9C3EKUAAAjVUn.jpg
> 
> Thanks Wander & everyone else.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Torsten
> 
> On 11/16/2015 07:32 PM, Jager, Wander wrote:
>> Dear all
> 
>> Attached the statement as jpg file. I have shared it on the
>> Facebook page and Twitter account of the Groningen Center for
>> Social Complexity Studies. You can easily share these posts, or
>> use the attached jpg on your own channels.
> 
>> I appreciate very much your support, and indeed I think in due
>> time we start a group tackling this very complex matter. The
>> group created by Klaus Jaffe may provide a good starting point.
> 
>> [log in to unmask] at 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/TerrorSociobiology
> 
>> Cheers to all of you
> 
>> Wander
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Dawn Parker
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>>> I also support the statement. Thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:17 AM, "Christophe LE PAGE" < 
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am like Bruno : this initiative and the related discussion
>>> make me feel good, so of course I’m ok to be associated to the
>>> statement.
>>> 
>>> Thank you all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Christophe Le Page
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *De :* News and discussion about computer simulation in the
>>> social sciences [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]>] *De la part de* Bonte Bruno *Envoyé :*
>>> lundi 16 novembre 2015 12:03 *À :* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Objet :* Re: [SIMSOC] Statement on behalf of our community on
>>> the Paris attacks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi to all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would be glad to be associated to this statement and I thank
>>> all of you for the initiative and comments.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Bruno Bonté
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> *De: *"Wander Jager" <[log in to unmask]> *À:
>>> *[log in to unmask] *Envoyé: *Lundi 16 Novembre 2015
>>> 14:14:35 *Objet: *Re: [SIMSOC] Statement on behalf of our
>>> community on the Paris attacks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear friends
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the mail bombardment! Thanks to your positive
>>> comments I rewrote the statement. Please read, and if you are
>>> not yet on the list of people subscribing this statement (or if
>>> you want to be removed) let me know as soon as possible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *A statement on behalf of scientists and scholars cooperating
>>> in the global SIMSOC network. *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *A flourishing global culture **is based on the human values of
>>> love, respect and tolerance. It **requires an eagerness to
>>> embrace diversity, and when values conflict, informed tolerance
>>> as important principles. Terrorist attacks have destroyed the
>>> lives of thousands of innocent citizens around the world,
>>> undermining a tolerant culture by fuelling a polarization
>>> process, setting up groups of people against each other. 
>>> **Responding with fear and violence would undermine these
>>> values and ultimately lead to repressive governance structures.
>>> Instead, we want to support the development of critical
>>> thinking worldwide, particularly in areas of the world that are
>>> dominated by dogmatic and repressive powers. **We believe that
>>> we should support investments in education and critical
>>> thinking, food, health, technology, research, work, peace, and
>>> social justice rather than invested in violence and death. We
>>> prefer drones offering Internet access to drones packed with
>>> explosives. Better dropping laptops than bombs. Mind that lead 
>>> is better used for printing than for bullets!*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alexis Drogoul
>>> 
>>> Alison Heppenstall
>>> 
>>> Andreas Ernst
>>> 
>>> Antonella Ianni
>>> 
>>> Arend Ligtenberg
>>> 
>>> Borit Melania
>>> 
>>> Cesar Garcia-Diaz
>>> 
>>> Cesareo Hernandez
>>> 
>>> Chih-Chun Chen
>>> 
>>> Christophe Sibertin-Blanc
>>> 
>>> Cinzia Tegoni
>>> 
>>> Corinna Eisenbroich
>>> 
>>> Diana Mangalagiu
>>> 
>>> Fabio Correa
>>> 
>>> Frederik Schaff
>>> 
>>> Geeske Scholz
>>> 
>>> Gert Jan Hofstede
>>> 
>>> Helder Coelho
>>> 
>>> Julie Dugdale
>>> 
>>> Klaus G. Troitzsch
>>> 
>>> Klaus Jaffe
>>> 
>>> Leonardo G. Rodríguez Zoya
>>> 
>>> Mario Paolucci
>>> 
>>> Matteo Morini
>>> 
>>> Mauricio Salgado
>>> 
>>> Michael MÖhring
>>> 
>>> Norman Johnson
>>> 
>>> Olivier Barreteau
>>> 
>>> Oswaldo Téran
>>> 
>>> Patrick Seidler
>>> 
>>> Pietro Terna
>>> 
>>> Rocco Paolillo
>>> 
>>> Robert Marks
>>> 
>>> Rosaria Conte
>>> 
>>> Ruben Flores
>>> 
>>> Scott Moss
>>> 
>>> Sylvie Huet
>>> 
>>> Sjoukje Osinga
>>> 
>>> Torsten Heinrich
>>> 
>>> Tuncer Ören
>>> 
>>> Virginia Dignum
>>> 
>>> Wander Jager
>>> 
>>> Wilfred Geerlings
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I plan to post this on the Facebook page of the Groningen
>>> center for Social Complexity Studies, but to have some impact I
>>> rely on us all to share wherever we can...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warm regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wander Jager
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Scott Moss 
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Revulsion as a response to terrorist attacks is in large
>>> measure personal but also reinforced and deepened by sharing
>>> our feelings.  I believe that the importance of this sort of
>>> socially enhanced response is a lesson from agent-based social
>>> modelling of various kinds.  Perhaps the very long and growing
>>> thread initiated by Wander’s posting is further evidence of the
>>> empirical importance this sort of social process.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Adding our own expressions of moral outrage can certainly be
>>> seen as a moral obligation.  A common statement, or even
>>> individual statements, will add to the volume of such
>>> expressions but do not seem to me to be likely to change the
>>> tactics of IS or other terrorists.  I would not be surprised if
>>> our statement failed to attract any special notice.  Perhaps
>>> there is an analogy here with voting: no one much notices how
>>> each of us votes but the strength of the polity is more sound
>>> as more of us do vote.  But in addition to voting, we are also
>>> able to apply our skills to the analysis and perhaps the
>>> improvement of society.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If we want to make a contribution based on our scientific
>>> skills, I suggest that an appropriate way forward is to apply
>>> those skills to a problem where we have some chance of making a
>>> direct impact by informing public policies — whether tactical,
>>> strategic or both. Perhaps a coordinated attack on specific
>>> issues where our understanding is unclear would be more useful.
>>> Some issues suggest themselves readily: recruitment to
>>> terrorist organisations or the social context in which
>>> radicalism thrives are two that come immediately to mind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I suggest that, in addition to any statement of the sort
>>> suggested by Wander, that we agree on a small working party to
>>> receive suggestions for issues where we can make a contribution
>>> and to refine those questions to a few clear challenges to be
>>> presented to the wider social simulation community.  We could
>>> both suggest to funding bodies that these challenges become the
>>> basis of funding calls and also devote our own resources to
>>> addressing these challenges.  Indeed, by devoting our own
>>> resources to such activities we would be (and be seen to be)
>>> less self-serving because we would be willing to make some
>>> sacrifices for the public good.  The whole process would also 
>>> then avoid the lengthy delays involved in normal funding
>>> processes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Workshops and webinars are fine but they need to be
>>> structured. The challenges suggested by such a working party
>>> would provide the basis for such structuring.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As Wander started this discussion and has considerable
>>> experience in projects and organisation, I suggest specifically
>>> that he be asked to put together an appropriate working party
>>> and to organise such a constructive process.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 14 Nov 2015, at 19:00, Jager, Wander <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear friends
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Usually we publish our ideas in scientific journals, but
>>> considering the impact of the terrorist attacks on innocent
>>> citizens on our society, the attack on Paris as the most recent
>>> gruesome act, I think that we, being scientists addressing the
>>> dynamics of society, have a responsibility to address the
>>> general public more directly. A polarisation of society,
>>> resulting in conflict, seems to be the aim of these
>>> fear-inducing attacks. The more society at large is aware of 
>>> this likely aim, the more a liberal and tolerant culture might
>>> be resilient to such attacks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I propose publishing a statement on behalf of our scientific 
>>> community. The following tekst is a sightly adapted post I made
>>> on Facebook. It might serve as a start for a joint message,
>>> which should have tolerance and openness as key values for a
>>> global culture to strive for.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *A flourishing global culture requires tolerance and the
>>> embracing of diversity as important principles. The IS attacks
>>> on innocent citizens appear to be aimed at undermining this
>>> tolerant culture by fuelling a polarisation process, setting up
>>> groups of people against each other. Rather than responding
>>> with violence, leading to a spiralling down to a repressive
>>> state, as scientists we believe that we should support critical
>>> thinking in areas dominated by dogmatic and repressive powers.
>>> We prefer drones offering internet access over drones packed
>>> with with explosives. Better a bombardment with laptops than
>>> with rockets. Mind that lead is better used for printing than
>>> for bullets!*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you support this message just let me know, and if you have
>>> some suggestions for improving the tekst and for bringing this
>>> message out your input is valued very much.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope to share a final tekst on Monday, which I want to
>>> circulate on this list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warm regards from concerned citizen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wander Jager
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Groningen Center for Social Complexity Studies
>>> 
>>> University College Groningen
>>> 
>>> Phone +31 (0)6 361 84 622
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @GCSCS_RuG
>>> 
>>> Facebook: Groningen Center for Social Complexity Studies
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Professor Scott Moss
>>> 
>>> Brookfold
>>> 
>>> The Wash
>>> 
>>> Chapel en le Frith
>>> 
>>> High Peak
>>> 
>>> SK23 0QW
>>> 
>>> United Kingdom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> tel: +44 (0)1663 750913
>>> 
>>> mobile: +44 (0)776 968 9991
>>> 
>>> www: www.scott.moss.name
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Groningen Center for Social Complexity Studies
>>> 
>>> University College Groningen
>>> 
>>> Phone +31 (0)6 361 84 622
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @GCSCS_RuG
>>> 
>>> Facebook: Groningen Center for Social Complexity Studies
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

- -- 
Torsten Heinrich, PhD
Institute for Institutional and Innovation Economics (iino)
Department of Business Studies & Economics
University of Bremen
[log in to unmask]
http://www.iino.uni-bremen.de

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