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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
"Be present, O merciful God, and protect us through the silent hours of this night, so that we who are wearied by the changes and chances of this fleeting world, may repose upon thy eternal changelessness; through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Gordon Plumbn
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From: Cate Gunn <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 11:15
Subject: Re: [M-R] FW: A question of death
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and cultureMy mother died two days ago. At her funeral we will use the prayer found in the Compline service. From memory, it ends with the request that ‘tired of the changes and chances of this fleeting world we may rest upon Thy eternal changelessness’. It will be an Anglican service.
Cate
Cate Gunn
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On 21 Nov 2015, at 15:48, Richard Legault <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Strictly speaking such a topic would be a little bit outside the boundaries of the Medieval period this discussion group is supposed to be about. Nevertheless, I am curious to see how many members will follow it up.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Ms B M Cook <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Now here’s a nice new thread for discussion!
Is the Church of England / Anglican Church protestant or catholic ? (NB Lower case letters intentional.)
I would maintain it is both – even as Christ if fully human and fully divine ..... (:- )).
Brenda M C
From: Anne Willis
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 4:21 PM
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This Protestant does.
But then the Church of England is not a fully reformed church. If I wanted Calvinism I would probably attend a Baptist or Presbyterian church.
Anne
From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frans van Liere
Sent: 20 November 2015 15:36
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Protestants don’t pray for the deceased (for Calvinists, since these things have been ordained by God, there’s nothing much you can do about it), but I don’t see a problem with “rest in peace,” since it expresses the hope of salvation.
Frans van Liere
History Department,
Calvin College
1845 Knollcrest Circle, SE
Grand Rapids, MI, 49546
From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Madeleine Gray
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Requiescat in pace is certainly part of the liturgy but on a tomb carving it would be more normal to have 'Orate pro anima ...' and/or 'Cuius anime deus propitietur'.
Both of these would be technically regarded as 'Popish' after the Reformation in England and Wales but they do still occur in the later 16th century, sometimes on the tombs of known non-Catholics.
Bit of a grey area, really.
Prayer for the dead has come back into the Anglican tradition. I do wonder what some of the reformers (like Latimer and Ridley) would think of having their souls prayed for.
Maddy
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On 19/11/2015 16:25, Thomas Izbicki wrote:
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It might be worth checking on the inscriptions of medieval tomb brasses, at least those which survive complete. I would check our copy of Nigel Saul's book on the Cobham family memorials, but it is in circulation just now.
Tom Izbicki
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From: "Katherine Hindley" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:52:51 AM
Subject: Re: [M-R] FW: A question of death
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It's definitely a pre-Reformation phrase - 'requiescat in pace' is in the medieval Office of the Dead, and I believe it was used even earlier than that.
The phrase 'may [so-and-so] rest in peace' is used in the Anglican church today.
Best,
Katherine
On 19 November 2015 at 15:22, Kurt Sherry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Good question. I really don't know, but it feels like it could be a phrase that originated before the Reformation.
In the Eastern Orthodox world, we use "May his/her memory be eternal," which is actually a liturgical phrase. My current project that I'm not working on is about Byzantine commemorative rites and theology. The phrase serves as a refrain in the Trisagion for the Dead. It appears elsewhere at least conceptually.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Anne Willis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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My daughter has a query about the phrase 'Rest In Peace'.
Is it a phrase based on Catholic ideology, or is it a phrase that the Protestant (or specifically Anglican) church can also ascribe to?
Anne
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