Possibly around in the GB past, but certainly not when I was a child.
Halloweeen is a recently (re?) imported USA idea as far as I know.
Nasty greed-mongering idea which has almost completely erased our far more
gentle recollection of the events leading to the savage and inhumane deaths
of a number of people, which at least was genuine in its begging.....
From: Carol Primrose
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Pumpkin lanterns - a
(somewhat) serious question
Even further up here turnips are the big orange ones, swedes are the
scooterie wee white ones.
From: Dave Tooke
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 1:17 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BRITARCH] Pumpkin lanterns - a (somewhat) serious question
Pumpkin lanterns seem to me to me a recent development.
When I was young, back in the late 50s early 60s we made Hallowe'en lanterns
from turnips. Well swedes actually, but back then and up there swedes were
Pick a long one not a round one. You get a scarier and more skull like
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> On 1 Nov 2015, at 13:09, John Wood
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> It is my suspicion that lanterns such as these were commonplace in the
> past and we only have 'pumpkin lamps' at Halloween because we no
> longer use them generally.
>> On 11/1/15, Michael <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Yesterday as I scooped out all the innards of the pumpkin trying to thin
>> it down to the skin, I began wondering why I was doing it, when so many
>> people these days just spend five minutes cutting a few holes.
>> The first obvious thing was that I make pumpkin pie (or more accurately
>> honey, apple and pumpkin pie)
>> The second is that the innards are turned into green goo for dipping for
>> coins (pumpkin innards, green children's paint and some flour with half
>> a cup of 5p/1p & perhaps a few bigger ones).
>> But the real intention was to make the skin of the pumpkin as
>> translucent as possible so that the candle would show through (although
>> these days with the super star-killing street lights, it's difficult to
>> see the pumpkin - so hence three candles this year).
>> And then it hit me, that in the not too distant past, when people could
>> see the stars at night, but couldn't see their own feet for the dark. If
>> people went around with young children, at the time of year when very
>> young children start experiencing the winter dark during their waking
>> hours, then they too would have needed light.
>> So, perhaps they also carried around a light - and to avoid wind, the
>> candle or oil-lamp would need to be in a protective enclosure - and what
>> simpler way to make such a wind enclosure is by scooping out a
>> "pumpkin". So perhaps the reason we have "pumpkin lights" is a direct
>> descendant of the ordinary kinds of lights that ordinary people used -
>> although obviously it would have been something like a neep (turnip).
>> But of course, there would be absolutely no archaeological record of
>> something as ephemeral as a "pumpkin light"
>> ... or would there?
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