On 11/09/2015, at 19:50, Klaus Krippendorff wrote:
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> can machines design? if you define design as mutating existing technological components, the answer is yes. if you define design as proposing something that goes beyond the permutation of existing technology, the answer in no.
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Klaus,
Do you really think the answer is no?
Don't you think there are some theories out there that may provide a way to break out of that box? Something like C-K theory, for instance.
Breaking out of that box is related to one of the questions I posed to Joran, earlier in this debate:
> 2) What happens to any rule-based entity, if the first rule is: "define your own rules" ?
I insist: by saying that machines can only provide permutations of existing elements, one is defining a "machine" simply as an automated (run by itself) lookup table, much like a calculator (a calculator can be seen as an automated, infinite, lookup table). Of course, lookup tables are by definition deterministic and won't help you if you want something "really new."
On the other hand, you can only set a machine to do something that you can actually model. That is why this kind of discussion shouldn't be focused on the "machine" but instead on the model that would be implemented through the machine. Thus, the really interesting question is "can we devise a model of design which can theoreticaly be implemented on a machine and produce results at least as satisfying as the results produced by human designers?" (this is actually very close to my current research question).
What real obstacles do you see to that?
Best regards,
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