Surely anything that gets young people out of towns and cities to experience 
the countryside (and have some exercise) who wouldn't normally, while at the 
same time being encouraged to respect the environemnt (hopefully), is a good 
thing?

Lynne Mayers

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From: Gina Seal
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:34 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CROW - Honister

Sallie Never had much of a problem wandering around in the past. mind you
it has mostly been at the weekend and towards tea time, though not been up
this year.

I know peoples views on zip wires but since coming to live in the national
park I understand the difficulties of local business surviving. The
national park is a big place full of quiat places, especially here around
the back of Ullswater.  Surely there is a place for people to have some fun
as well and Honister is as good a place as any.  Some locals are
campaigning to charge for access to the national park and I don't agree
with that. There has to be room for all, even if that means having to
compromise a little here and there. Hikers and fell walkers are fine but
local jobs are needed to help this place survive....It's a long winter.

Clive Seal

On 27 July 2015 at 08:57, F J Westcott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The whole of the high fells area around Honister Pass is designated as
> open access under the CROW act. This does not confer an automatic "right 
> to
> roam" however.
>
> Public access rights under the CROW act do not apply if the land is
> "excepted land", even if it is mapped as Open Access land. The most
> pertinent of the "excepted land" class is "Quarries and other active
> mineral workings".
>
> See
>
> https://www.gov.uk/open-access-land-management-rights-and-responsibilities
>
> In the normal circumstance, a working quarry will be fenced and it will be
> obvious where the excluded land begins and ends. However given the 
> extended
> area of workings at Honister, the mixture of used and disused workings and
> the lack of fences and signage (a good thing in my opinion) it will be
> difficult to see on the ground where permitted access begins and ends.
>
> Like many I find myself conflicted over the activities of the late Mark
> Weir. Whilst his efforts to keep slate mining and the non-tourist economy
> of the Lake District alive may be applauded I find it difficult to support
> importing gangs of screaming zip-wire users to disturb the ambience of the
> heart of a National Park. The problem is, it may not be possible to 
> support
> the one without the other.
>
> Regards
>
> Frank Westcott
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> On 24 Jul 2015, at 20:58, Sallie Bassham wrote:
>
> > Like those of you who are my age, or older, I used to wander the
> Honister slate mines.  Since Mark Weir bought the mines, I have not been
> underground there.
> > How far may I wander the surface under the Right to Roam Act?
> > Today, I walked up to Fleetwith Pike and then wandered back to the car
> park by way of various disused quarries and their ruined buildings.  I
> avoided falling over any precipices and did not pass any "Keep Out"
> notices.  On one of the tracks, I was shouted at and told that there was 
> no
> public access. No discussion was permitted.
> > I do not expect to be allowed to wander into a working mine.  I do not
> trespass into slate working-buildings.  I never touch diggers or other
> machinery.
> > But since Fleetwith Pike and its surrounding acres are 'unimproved
> land', I expect to have the 'right to roam'.
> > Where exactly may I roam?
> > Sallie
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