Peter
I completely agree with you about the struggles that face all archaeological services, including HERs, in the future. I am aware the difficulties faced by my colleagues in the county that surrounds my bailiwick , Leicestershire, which are similar to those faced by erstwhile colleagues/replacement in Staffordshire.
When faced with a choice between shedding their own staff and cutting funding to a service provided by an external body, most senior managers are likely to make a similar decision. I also recall how, after the break-up of the old, West Midlands County Council, services were treated like shuttlecocks, and there were constant arguments as to how funding was to be provided for external services (on a basis of area, or on a basis of population).
Chris
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Iles, Peter
Sent: 28 July 2015 10:48
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Subject: Re: Archaeology, Austerity and Historic Environment Records
Whilst I agree with much that Chris says, there is a danger with 'shared' services, in that there is a constant battle to keep everyone on board and funding up to scratch. LCC has 14 unitary and borough councils, plus the county, and at present we offer a DC service to the county planning department and 12 of the 14 others. It has been a struggle every year to get the others to sign up to the service, despite a massive subsidy to the costs from the county - at present the total income from the other councils is about half the cost of running the DC archaeologist post. Given financial constraints this subsidy can't continue indefinitely and, given this difficulty, the recent loss of the DC archaeologist to a commercial contractor (I've now got that job plus my other work) and my imminent departure (1st April 2016), the potential end of the road for DC archaeology in the county is looming.
We are working to get something into place, but I'm not particularly confident that we'll succeed.
There is a very real threat that the county will pull back to fulfilling its own responsibilities under the NPPF and asking the other councils to make their own provision, with access to the HER charged at cost for any consultant working on their behalf. The response to this by the other councils will vary from attempts to buy in the service (at a commercial cost) from outside contractors by one or two of them, to a 'we can't afford it and anyway no-one cares/can force us' attitude - currently demonstrated by the two that don't currently have any provision.
As I've stated to anyone who will listen to me, we appear to need a high profile case where a council is made an example of and suffers huge costs because of its lack of provision - a new Rose Theatre event where the costs fall on the council or a high profile 'prosecution'/appeal/ombudsman case were again lots of costs fall on the council for not fulfilling the terms of NPPF.
Unfortunately given the current anti-planners spin we are all suffering from it's going to have to be a big, big case and not just some local difficulty before central gov't will take note and push councils into fulfilling their obligations.
Peter Iles
Specialist Advisory Services
Lancashire County Council
Development Management
PO Box 100
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Wardle
Sent: 28 July 2015 09:31
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Subject: Re: Archaeology, Austerity and Historic Environment Records
Like Vince I am not far off retirement, so am less concerned about my long term prospects than are many others.
Much of what Dan Hinks says makes good sense: Planning departments are never going to regard public access to the information they hold as a high priority and I am sure that many HERs, including the one I am currently responsible for, would benefit from a higher profile. But Dan does not know enough about the workings of local government. For several decades museums and libraries and to a lesser extent record offices have been seen as an easy target for savings when budgets are tight. To remove those HERs which currently lie within a planning services and place them in a museum and/or library services would be to label them as targets for budget cuts.
Equally, however, those of us in local government can't necessarily assume that what applies now will continue to be the case over the next couple of decades: I used to work in Staffordshire and was shocked when, a few years ago, one of the districts in Staffordshire started to share the management of its planning service with an adjoining district in Derbyshire. I suspect that if the current economic climate continues for more than a few years that we will see many more local authorities sharing planning services and, if that happens, there are likely to be discussions about the provision of archaeological advise. Don't forget too that the current government is actively encouraging the myth that all the blame for are current housing crisis rests with local government planning department (In fact, the bulk of the actual blame lies in the greed on the behalf of those who hold the land and those who control the money that runs the system.). I think there is a good chance that once local authorities have exhausted the savings that can be made in library and museum budgets that planning departments with increasingly find themselves in the firing line.
Chris
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vince Russett
Sent: 27 July 2015 11:06
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Subject: Re: Archaeology, Austerity and Historic Environment Records
Morning, chums!
As retirement beckons, I am able to stand back and take a slightly more disinterested look at this.
The problem in dealing with planning issues is that many sites need to be visited (even Street View doesn't show everywhere - although it helps!) If we are dealing with multiple county records, some sites may be so remote that they are simply not visited. It's easy enough dealing with a little area like North Somerset, but how Devon (or the Highlands!) manage, I can't imagine. I still find people who are not even aware of the HER (or irritatingly, refer to it as the 'Somerset HER' which is a very different beast). I have thought in the past that having museum, library and HER altogether would have benefits of scale, and the Wiltshire model seems to work - although because it is an archive, it's always cold.
After a long fight to retain our paperwork (solved by the sheer bloody-mindedness of my HER officer Dan) we have now been given a new office (with windows, carpets and gasp! a kettle). This retaining is probably going to be a constant struggle against those who don't realise that the HER is both digital *and* paper, and although the intention is to ensure that the latter is digitised, we don't have the time or resources to finish that job.
The local studies library is now in the same building as us (which helps), so unfortunately are other public services, which means in this entirely open-plan building, there is a constant racket of babies crying, people shouting and occasionally even dogs barking. It's a terrible work environment.
Vince
Vince Russett
County Archaeologist
Development Management Group
North Somerset Council
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Insole
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 10:22 AM
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Subject: Re: Archaeology, Austerity and Historic Environment Records
From our experience the HER is most valuable if it is sitting within the planning department with the planning archaeologist, but working in close partnership with museums, archives and preferably universities. This is due to several factors the most crucial being to enable the most rapid responses to planning proposals at any stage.
The way HERs look at the world spatially is also a better fit with planning disciplines. None of our museum or record office collections use GIS for example and spatial references in museum catalogues refer to precise shelf locations of the archive box.
Partnership working is going to become more and more important given the austerity agenda. Working together with museums, record offices, universities and communities will enable the optimal/efficient sharing of skills, help to raise the profile of heritage and demonstrate the value of heritage to a wider audience. Whether this is through Heritage Gateway on a national scale or through local initiatives (in an ideal world it should be both) will come down to individual authority priorities.
Best wishes,
Peter Insole
Principal Historic Environment Officer
City Design Group (Urban Design)
Planning Division
Place Directorate
Brunel House
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Shaw
Sent: 27 July 2015 09:58
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Subject: Re: Archaeology, Austerity and Historic Environment Records
The question of where local Historic Environment Records should be placed is a difficult one. On the one hand a home within a Museum or Cultural Heritage Sector, particularly perhaps Record Offices, would have the advantages of encouraging wider access to HERs and greater community use, on the other it has been my, and I suspect many others', experience that when housed within planning services HERs and local authority archaeologists tend to be listened to more readily than when giving advice at arm's length. I'm not sure what the answer to this is though changes within local government may mean that HERs , like so many other services will become increasingly arms length in any case. I suspect that services related to planning will remain better resourced than those relating to culture/museums though conversely the latter are perhaps more used to getting grants from outside and will be better able to demonstrate a commitment to wider usage of HERs.
I guess that one answer may be to have the HER and HER Officer housed within say a Record Office, while a Planning Archaeologist is based within the planning service. Rationally a larger HER would benefit from economy of scale but smaller local ones may feel of more relevance to the community.
The creation of larger joint authorities, such as that proposed for the West Midlands, may present an opportunity for the best of both worlds.
Much food for thought!
Mike
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From: "Dan Hicks" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 6:59 AM
Subject: Archaeology, Austerity and Historic Environment Records
Dear all -
Colleagues may find this blog post of interest - http://profdanhicks.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/archaeology-austerity-and-future-of.html
It explores some of the broader significance of HERs as unique, often neglected and overlooked, and highly fragile cultural resources. It argues that we need to improve HERs' national coherence, their public accessibility and profile, and the stability of their future funding -- and that one important part of the way forward may be to build new connections and re-connections between Historic Environment Records and local authority museums.
The BBC broadcast mentioned in the blog post will be on Making History - this Tuesday at 3pm, and then on the iPlayer.
Dan
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Associate Professor in Archaeology, University of Oxford Curator, Pitt Rivers Museum Fellow, St Cross College, Oxford http://www.arch.ox.ac.uk/DH1.html
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