Actual LOL here, Dan.
On 8/05/2015 16:23, "Daniel Ezra Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>I'm also skepters of the assertio made by that journo. But I mean, at the
>end of the day it needs tested, dunnit? And of all things, it shouldn't
>be that difficult to test, if not prove/disprove, by comparing the right
>corpo. Maybe Cara Williams did this.
>
>As a nominal, although both sound bad to this middle-aged American, a
>difference seems to arise between "this preggo" -- shocking but
>admissible -- and "this preggers" -- ludicrous and impossible (pending
>hearing it for the first time, of course).
>
>
>> On 8 May 2015, at 07:00, Adam Schembri <[log in to unmask]>
>>wrote:
>>
>> Well this takes it back to my original point: I don’t buy that most of
>>the
>> examples in the BBC article were colloquialisms that Australian English
>> has ‘given the world’ - thanks Dan!
>> Adam
>>
>> On 8/05/2015 15:57, "Daniel Ezra Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just saw a Facebook friend (NYC area, early 30s) use "this prego" to
>>> refer to herself. I'd like to know if y'all Australians can do that!
>>>
>>>> On 8 May 2015, at 04:21, Adam Schembri <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Miriam & Claire,
>>>> Yes, I’ve had ‘preggo’ confirmed by my (younger) Melbourne colleagues.
>>>> I’d
>>>> never heard it before I lived here, but then again I’d never heard the
>>>> delightful ’Sydders’ for Sydney until I moved to Melbourne either (or
>>>> ‘Melbz’).
>>>> At least one online source I’ve found notes the two meanings for
>>>>‘garbo’
>>>> too: http://www.slang-dictionary.org/Australian-Slang/Garbo
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Schembers.
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/05/2015 13:12, "Miriam Meyerhoff" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You may be showing your age, or your remoteness from Australian
>>>>>English
>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try googling “preggo aussie english” but maybe not on your work
>>>>> computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> chrz, mm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/05/2015, at 11:42, Claire Bowern <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not for this Aussie. Garbo is only the person (short for garbologist
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prego sounds made up to me, I would day preggers.
>>>>>> Claire
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Adam Schembri
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>> Actually, ‘garbo’ can mean ‘garbage collector’ or ‘garbage bin’
>>>>>>(e.g.,
>>>>>> ‘the journo on compo hurt himself taking out the garbo’ = the
>>>>>> journalist
>>>>>> on worker’s compensation hurt himself taking out the garbage).
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Uri Horesh <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Date: Friday, 8 May 2015 06:08
>>>>>> To: Variationist List <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> American students regularly refer to “organic chemistry” as “orgo”
>>>>>>in
>>>>>> their speech (usually not very favorably), and you see “convo” for
>>>>>> “conversation” in Internet Written English, but I’m not sure how
>>>>>> common
>>>>>> it is in any spoken variety of English.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My 2¢,
>>>>>> Uri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Peter Trudgill <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 15:01
>>>>>> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Uni" is a relatively recent arrival (from Oz?) in GB - no one said
>>>>>>it
>>>>>> 20 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The -o ending is certainly much more common in Oz than here, and but
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is common enough in naming in Britain, or at least in England,
>>>>>>whence
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> surely came. When I was at school, there were boys who were known
>>>>>>as,
>>>>>> e.g., Johnno, Fatso, Arbo [Herbert] - so I think “more widely taken
>>>>>> up”
>>>>>> is right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 May 2015, at 19:49, Gregory R Guy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And let's not forget Aussie 'garbo', for garbageman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Patrick, Peter L
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> I should’ve said, I do find the productive chopping-plus–o items
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>> distinctive to my ear and are mostly not used much in the UK as far
>>>>>> as I
>>>>>> can tell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That means things like “reffo” etc, where there is no way to derive
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> –o just by reduction, mostly sound Australian to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Demo”, which is a simple reduction, I find much less convincing –
>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>> certainly common in the UK and could happen anywhere, just happens
>>>>>>to
>>>>>> end in –o.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simple choppings like “perv” and “uni” are also common here and I
>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>> they are imported as there’s no need – though you might import
>>>>>>
>>>>>> things that have something culturally distinct or attractive, it’s
>>>>>> probably not possible to show that workaday choppings aren’t locally
>>>>>>
>>>>>> generated, and finding them first in print somewhere doesn’t seem
>>>>>>esp
>>>>>> convincing as to origin if the full wordform is ubiquitous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Muso” fits the chopping-plus–o pattern, yet apparently has been in
>>>>>> wide use here since early 1970s at least (days of Yes, Genesis etc)
>>>>>>–
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> that is true,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then maybe there is a productive –o process in the UK as well and it
>>>>>> has simply been more widely taken up in Oz. Then each –o item would
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> assessed on its own legs, not just being likely to be Aussie because
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is an –o item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The –ie endings are extremely common in the UK, though, and don’t
>>>>>>seem
>>>>>> imported. Granted, some things they are applied to are not common –
>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “barbie, surfie” – but that is not a function of the process itself.
>>>>>> You could claim “barbie” to be Australian, but it wouldn’t advance
>>>>>>the
>>>>>> cause of any other –ie words,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which would need their own case made item by item. Among other
>>>>>>things,
>>>>>> -ie is obsessively applied by football players to each other’s names
>>>>>>
>>>>>> whenever possible as a marker of vernacular solidarity for those on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> UK scene; it’s probably easier & more fun to formulate when it can
>>>>>>NOT
>>>>>> be used than when it can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (There’s a new column for you, Peter T! if you run out of subjects…)
>>>>>> (So “Giggsy” “Smitty” etc ad nauseam, but not “Messi-ie” or
>>>>>> “Rooney-ie”,
>>>>>> obviously, or anything to do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> w/Cristiano Ronaldo because nobody can stand him; the other option
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> adding “-s/-z” as “Becks”, “Lamps”, “-zie” as in “Sears-y”,
>>>>>>“Babb-sy”,
>>>>>> or less commonly radical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chopping plus “-za”, as in “Gazza” “Wazza” and probably by now
>>>>>> “Hazza”. This stuff even happens to some not-very-Anglo-looking
>>>>>>names
>>>>>> but only if ensconced on UK football scene.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This vernacular/solidarity meaning, though common for diminutives as
>>>>>> noted, runs directly against the cultural logic that I speculated
>>>>>>was
>>>>>> behind this over-Ozzing of the pudding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -p-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Variationist List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Gregory R Guy
>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2015 16:14
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Court says Skype's name is too similar to Sky's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, as an American who lived in Oz for five years, I find a lot of
>>>>>> these examples to be quite convincing. Granted I have little UK
>>>>>> experience, but the super-productive use of -ie and -o suffixes
>>>>>>really
>>>>>> caught my ear: Aussie, barbie, sunnie, surfie (viz. USA surfer),
>>>>>>refo,
>>>>>> arvo, etc. The point, as I saw it, of such affixes was not
>>>>>> 'informality' but in most cases shortening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Adam Schembri
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, while we’re on the topic of the BBC website, Dave, I don’t
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> buy this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.test.bbc.com/culture/story/20150427-pervs-greenies-and-rat
>>>>>>ba
>>>>>> gs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an Australian who lived in London for nearly five years, it’s
>>>>>>quite
>>>>>> clear where we Australians got ‘mate’ and ‘bloody’ from. I don’t buy
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> some of the others are Australian: ‘selfie’ may have first been
>>>>>> recorded
>>>>>> in Australia, but I suspect it was created independently in multiple
>>>>>> parts
>>>>>> of the English speaking world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/05/2015 20:41, "Dave Sayers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought this might tickle VAR-Lers:
>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32593735
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer, Dept Humanities, Sheffield Hallam University
>>>>>>> Honorary Research Fellow, Arts & Humanities, Swansea University
>>>>>>> (2009-2015)
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