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Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie

From:

Adam Schembri <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 8 May 2015 03:21:59 +0000

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Miriam & Claire, 
Yes, I’ve had ‘preggo’ confirmed by my (younger) Melbourne colleagues. I’d 
never heard it before I lived here, but then again I’d never heard the 
delightful ’Sydders’ for Sydney until I moved to Melbourne either (or 
‘Melbz’).  
At least one online source I’ve found notes the two meanings for ‘garbo’ 
too: http://www.slang-dictionary.org/Australian-Slang/Garbo 
Cheers, 
 
Schembers. 
 
On 8/05/2015 13:12, "Miriam Meyerhoff" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
 
>You may be showing your age, or your remoteness from Australian English 
>these days.  
> 
>Try googling “preggo aussie english” but maybe not on your work computer. 
> 
>chrz, mm 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/05/2015, at 11:42, Claire Bowern <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>>  
>> Not for this Aussie. Garbo is only the person (short for garbologist :) 
>>) 
>>  
>> Prego sounds made up to me, I would day preggers. 
>> Claire 
>>  
>> On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Adam Schembri 
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>>  
>> Greg, 
>> Actually, ‘garbo’ can mean ‘garbage collector’ or ‘garbage bin’ (e.g., 
>>‘the journo on compo hurt himself taking out the garbo’ = the journalist 
>>on worker’s compensation hurt himself taking out the garbage). 
>> Adam 
>>  
>> From: Uri Horesh <[log in to unmask]> 
>> Date: Friday, 8 May 2015 06:08 
>> To: Variationist List <[log in to unmask]> 
>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie 
>>  
>> American students regularly refer to “organic chemistry” as “orgo” in 
>>their speech (usually not very favorably), and you see “convo” for 
>>“conversation” in Internet Written English, but I’m not sure how common 
>>it is in any spoken variety of English. 
>>  
>> My 2¢, 
>> Uri 
>>  
>> From: Peter Trudgill <[log in to unmask]> 
>> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 15:01 
>> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> 
>> Subject: Re: Court says Skyp-ie, Skyp-o is Aussie 
>>  
>> “Uni" is a relatively recent arrival (from Oz?) in GB - no one said it 
>>20 years ago. 
>>  
>> The -o ending is certainly much more common in Oz than here, and but it 
>>is common enough in naming in Britain, or at least in England, whence it 
>>surely came. When I was at school, there were boys who were known as, 
>>e.g., Johnno, Fatso, Arbo [Herbert] - so I think “more widely taken up” 
>>is right.  
>>  
>>  
>> On 7 May 2015, at 19:49, Gregory R Guy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>>  
>> And let's not forget Aussie 'garbo', for garbageman. 
>>  
>> Greg 
>>  
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Patrick, Peter L 
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>> I should’ve said, I do find the productive chopping-plus–o items sound 
>>distinctive to my ear and are mostly not used much in the UK as far as I 
>>can tell. 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> That means things like “reffo” etc, where there is no way to derive the 
>>–o just by reduction, mostly sound Australian to me. 
>>  
>> “Demo”, which is a simple reduction, I find much less convincing – it’s 
>>certainly common in the UK and could happen anywhere, just happens to 
>>end in –o. 
>>  
>> Simple choppings like “perv” and “uni” are also common here and I doubt 
>>they are imported as there’s no need – though you might import 
>>  
>> things that have something culturally distinct or attractive, it’s 
>>probably not possible to show that workaday choppings aren’t locally 
>>  
>> generated, and finding them first in print somewhere doesn’t seem esp 
>>convincing as to origin if the full wordform is ubiquitous. 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> “Muso” fits the chopping-plus–o pattern, yet apparently has been in 
>>wide use here since early 1970s at least (days of Yes, Genesis etc) – if 
>>that is true, 
>>  
>> then maybe there is a productive –o process in the UK as well and it 
>>has simply been more widely taken up in Oz. Then each –o item would have 
>>to be 
>>  
>> assessed on its own legs, not just being likely to be Aussie because it 
>>is an –o item. 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> The –ie endings are extremely common in the UK, though, and don’t seem 
>>imported. Granted, some things they are applied to are not common – hence 
>>  
>> “barbie, surfie” – but that is not a function of the process itself. 
>>You could claim “barbie” to be Australian, but it wouldn’t advance the 
>>cause of any other –ie words, 
>>  
>> which would need their own case made item by item. Among other things, 
>>-ie is obsessively applied by football players to each other’s names 
>>  
>> whenever possible as a marker of vernacular solidarity for those on the 
>>UK scene; it’s probably easier & more fun to formulate when it can NOT 
>>be used than when it can. 
>>  
>> (There’s a new column for you, Peter T! if you run out of subjects…) 
>>(So “Giggsy” “Smitty” etc ad nauseam, but not “Messi-ie” or “Rooney-ie”, 
>>obviously, or anything to do 
>>  
>> w/Cristiano Ronaldo because nobody can stand him; the other option is 
>>adding “-s/-z” as “Becks”, “Lamps”, “-zie” as in “Sears-y”, “Babb-sy”, 
>>or less commonly radical 
>>  
>> chopping plus “-za”, as in  “Gazza” “Wazza” and probably by now 
>>“Hazza”. This stuff even happens to some not-very-Anglo-looking names 
>>but only if ensconced on UK football scene.) 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> This vernacular/solidarity meaning, though common for diminutives as 
>>noted, runs directly against the cultural logic that I speculated was 
>>behind this over-Ozzing of the pudding. 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>>                 -p- 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> From: Variationist List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 
>>Gregory R Guy 
>> Sent: 06 May 2015 16:14 
>> To: [log in to unmask] 
>> Subject: Re: Court says Skype's name is too similar to Sky's 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> Well, as an American who lived in Oz for five years, I find a lot of 
>>these examples to be quite convincing.  Granted I have little UK 
>>experience, but the super-productive use of -ie and -o suffixes really 
>>caught my ear: Aussie, barbie, sunnie, surfie (viz. USA surfer), refo, 
>>arvo, etc.  The point, as I saw it, of such affixes was not 
>>'informality' but in most cases shortening. 
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> Greg   
>>  
>>   
>>  
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Adam Schembri 
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>>  
>> Well, while we’re on the topic of the BBC website, Dave, I don’t really 
>> buy this: 
>>  
>>  
>>http://www.test.bbc.com/culture/story/20150427-pervs-greenies-and-ratbags 
>>  
>> As an Australian who lived in London for nearly five years, it’s quite 
>> clear where we Australians got ‘mate’ and ‘bloody’ from. I don’t buy 
>>that 
>> some of the others are Australian: ‘selfie’ may have first been recorded 
>> in Australia, but I suspect it was created independently in multiple 
>>parts 
>> of the English speaking world. 
>>  
>> Cheers, 
>> Adam 
>>  
>>  
>> -- 
>>  
>> Assoc. Prof. Adam Schembri, PhD 
>>https://latrobe.academia.edu/AdamSchembri 
>> Department of Languages & Linguistics | School of Humanities and Social 
>> Sciences | College of Arts, Social Sciences and Commerce | La Trobe 
>> University | Melbourne (Bundoora) | Victoria |  3086 |  Australia |Tel : 
>> +61 3 9479 2887 | Twitter: @AdamCSchembri | Director, Centre for 
>>Research 
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>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On 6/05/2015 20:41, "Dave Sayers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>>  
>> >I thought this might tickle VAR-Lers: 
>> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32593735 
>> > 
>> >Dave 
>> > 
>> >-- 
>> >Dr. Dave Sayers 
>> >Senior Lecturer, Dept Humanities, Sheffield Hallam University 
>> >Honorary Research Fellow, Arts & Humanities, Swansea University 
>> >(2009-2015) 
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