He said Never vote for conservatives
He also warned against Lib Dems on the grounds that they are so sincere
they must be liars. Doesn't trust Click Neg.
L
On 18 March 2015 at 11:26, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> What did ol'Saint Elidius say ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton
> Sent: 18 March 2015 11:11
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Gide on sincerity
>
> Don't worry. My long term economic plan is good, better than Gideon
> Osborne's. We shall all be rich. L
>
> On 18 March 2015 at 10:59, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Strewth that's more than a florin!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Andrew Burke
> > Sent: 18 March 2015 10:26
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Gide on sincerity
> >
> > Bargain, Tim, a bargain.
> >
> > Speaking of bargains, take a look at http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> > *Bargain*Bargain*
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On 18 March 2015 at 21:18, Tim Allen <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > By all means Lawrence. That 'll be two n sixpunce.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > On 18 Mar 2015, at 10:07, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tim
> > > > Do you mind if I quote you
> > > > The multiplicity of voices and tricks of utterance that are
> > > > involved in poetry Nice and direct and simple Proper citation and
> > > > all if it sees the light of day
> > > >
> > > > L
> > > >
> > > > On 16 March 2015 at 15:51, Tim Allen <
> > > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Can't let this pass. 'Slippery fish' sincerity certainly is,
> > > >> especially when used in the same sentence with 'true facts'.
> > > >>
> > > >> I wanted to come in on this when Bill said that thing about a
> > > >> word must never precede an idea, something which is not just
> > > >> problematic but
> > > probably
> > > >> impossible- but I never because it gets into that tricky realm of
> > > whether
> > > >> ideas are always made of words and if not what? pictures,
> > > >> feelings etc - but then when pictures or feelings get transferred
> > > >> into ideas don't
> > > words
> > > >> get involved? - don't go there, it's a swamp. So I didn't. I know
> > > >> that
> > > if I
> > > >> sat around waiting for an 'idea' before writing a poem I might
> > > >> have
> > > written
> > > >> about 20 poems in my life instead of 2000 etc - mind you, they
> > > >> might be
> > > 20
> > > >> very long poems.
> > > >>
> > > >> Seriously though, sincerity is a real sod to talk about in
> > > >> relation to poetry. The multiplicity of voices and tricks of
> > > >> utterance that are involved in poetry (never mind the variety of
> > > >> functions that poetry can
> > > >> perform) make the normal meaning of sincerity meaningless, and
> > > >> that includes the kind of sincerity that Andrew seems to be
> referring
> to.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sincerity in poetry is something else, something that has nothing
> > > >> to do with 'true facts', whatever they are.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim A.
> > > >>
> > > >> On 16 Mar 2015, at 05:06, Andrew Burke wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Oh what a slippery fish sincerity is when speaking of creativity.
> > > >>> For
> > > my
> > > >>> practice, the 'true facts' are my basic sincerity, as I see them
> > > >>> or remember them, written in plain language
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Andrew
> > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> > 'Undercover of Lightness'
> > http://walleahpress.com.au/recent-publications.html
> > 'Shikibu Shuffle'
> >
> > http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/new-from-aboveground-p
> > ress-s
> > hikibu.html
> >
>
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