By all means Lawrence. That 'll be two n sixpunce.
Cheers
Tim
On 18 Mar 2015, at 10:07, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> Tim
> Do you mind if I quote you
> The multiplicity of voices and tricks of utterance that are involved in
> poetry
> Nice and direct and simple
> Proper citation and all if it sees the light of day
>
> L
>
> On 16 March 2015 at 15:51, Tim Allen <
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>
>> Can't let this pass. 'Slippery fish' sincerity certainly is, especially
>> when used in the same sentence with 'true facts'.
>>
>> I wanted to come in on this when Bill said that thing about a word must
>> never precede an idea, something which is not just problematic but probably
>> impossible- but I never because it gets into that tricky realm of whether
>> ideas are always made of words and if not what? pictures, feelings etc -
>> but then when pictures or feelings get transferred into ideas don't words
>> get involved? - don't go there, it's a swamp. So I didn't. I know that if I
>> sat around waiting for an 'idea' before writing a poem I might have written
>> about 20 poems in my life instead of 2000 etc - mind you, they might be 20
>> very long poems.
>>
>> Seriously though, sincerity is a real sod to talk about in relation to
>> poetry. The multiplicity of voices and tricks of utterance that are
>> involved in poetry (never mind the variety of functions that poetry can
>> perform) make the normal meaning of sincerity meaningless, and that
>> includes the kind of sincerity that Andrew seems to be referring to.
>>
>> Sincerity in poetry is something else, something that has nothing to do
>> with 'true facts', whatever they are.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Tim A.
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 05:06, Andrew Burke wrote:
>>
>>> Oh what a slippery fish sincerity is when speaking of creativity. For my
>>> practice, the 'true facts' are my basic sincerity, as I see them or
>>> remember them, written in plain language
>>
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