Strewth that's more than a florin!
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From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Andrew Burke
Sent: 18 March 2015 10:26
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Subject: Re: Gide on sincerity
Bargain, Tim, a bargain.
Speaking of bargains, take a look at http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
*Bargain*Bargain*
Andrew
On 18 March 2015 at 21:18, Tim Allen <
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> By all means Lawrence. That 'll be two n sixpunce.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
>
> On 18 Mar 2015, at 10:07, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>
> > Tim
> > Do you mind if I quote you
> > The multiplicity of voices and tricks of utterance that are involved
> > in poetry Nice and direct and simple Proper citation and all if it
> > sees the light of day
> >
> > L
> >
> > On 16 March 2015 at 15:51, Tim Allen <
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> >
> >> Can't let this pass. 'Slippery fish' sincerity certainly is,
> >> especially when used in the same sentence with 'true facts'.
> >>
> >> I wanted to come in on this when Bill said that thing about a word
> >> must never precede an idea, something which is not just problematic
> >> but
> probably
> >> impossible- but I never because it gets into that tricky realm of
> whether
> >> ideas are always made of words and if not what? pictures, feelings
> >> etc - but then when pictures or feelings get transferred into ideas
> >> don't
> words
> >> get involved? - don't go there, it's a swamp. So I didn't. I know
> >> that
> if I
> >> sat around waiting for an 'idea' before writing a poem I might have
> written
> >> about 20 poems in my life instead of 2000 etc - mind you, they
> >> might be
> 20
> >> very long poems.
> >>
> >> Seriously though, sincerity is a real sod to talk about in relation
> >> to poetry. The multiplicity of voices and tricks of utterance that
> >> are involved in poetry (never mind the variety of functions that
> >> poetry can
> >> perform) make the normal meaning of sincerity meaningless, and that
> >> includes the kind of sincerity that Andrew seems to be referring to.
> >>
> >> Sincerity in poetry is something else, something that has nothing
> >> to do with 'true facts', whatever they are.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Tim A.
> >>
> >> On 16 Mar 2015, at 05:06, Andrew Burke wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh what a slippery fish sincerity is when speaking of creativity.
> >>> For
> my
> >>> practice, the 'true facts' are my basic sincerity, as I see them
> >>> or remember them, written in plain language
> >>
>
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Andrew
http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
'Undercover of Lightness'
http://walleahpress.com.au/recent-publications.html
'Shikibu Shuffle'
http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/new-from-aboveground-press-s
hikibu.html
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