But how do you know that it was a bell until you hear it? Surely the prime
characteristic of a bell is its sound. So you can't be sure that a "bell"
was struck until you hear the noise? Why do I sense various Greek
philosophers rolling over in their graves ...
On 24 December 2014 at 08:38, Dave Tooke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Surely it's rung when it's struck. Even if no one hears it. Rather like
> the tree falling in the forest.
> And if so, your noise cancelling technology is irrelevant.
> Dave Tooke
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On 23 Dec 2014, at 21:31, Hilary Stuart-Williams <[log in to unmask]>
> > Hmmm ... I'd raise a couple of points with that. The first is: when is a
> > bell rung? Is it rung when it is struck or when you hear the sound? And
> > related to that, I CAN actually un-ring it. Because the sound takes a
> > finite amount of time to travel, I can sense it between you and the
> > and generate an opposite signal that cancels it out before you hear it.
> > There are a lot of technologies that use that method for sound deadening.
> > And please note that I said Method not Methodology.
> > Happy Christmas eve to all.
> > Hil
> >> On 24 December 2014 at 00:19, Orion <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> Another way of looking at it may be that the present is a point in time.
> >> It
> >> has no length. It is a point that moves through time and we are always
> >> the present. We cannot affect the past and we never are in the future.
> >> It's been said that we cannot un ring a bell. But we also cannot know
> >> the bell will ring until it has rung. At present we cannot be sure.
> >> Just a thought,
> >> Orion
> >> At 09:04 AM 12/23/2014 -0000, Dave Hayward wrote:
> >>> Colleagues
> >>> To add to the seasonal friviality,
> >>> In the Army we were always taught it was either 23.59 or 00.01hrs, =
> >>> midnight does not exist!
> >>> I suppose it is much like what is defined as 'the present' - I would =
> >>> suggest that does not exist also, can you measure 'the present' in
> time? =
> >>> Everything is in the past or in the future!=20
> >>> Anyhow, to leave you with that contemplative thought, I hope you all =
> >>> have a good festive season and may archaeology flourish in 2015.
> >>> Regards
> >>> Dave Hayward
> > --
> > Dr Hilary Stuart-Williams
> > Research Officer - Stable Isotopes
> > The Research School of Biology
> > R.N. Robertson Building (46)
> > The Australian National University
> > Canberra ACT 2601
> > Work: 61 02 6125 2099
Dr Hilary Stuart-Williams
Research Officer - Stable Isotopes
The Research School of Biology
R.N. Robertson Building (46)
The Australian National University
Canberra ACT 2601
Work: 61 02 6125 2099