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From: British & Irish poets [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robin Hamilton
Sent: 08 December 2014 19:54
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Hm ... Got me stumped too, Mark. I suspect however that it might depend on which court type you're thinking off -- Thomas More would give, no doubt, a different answer than a committed Lutheran.
As it stands, "The Reformation" would refer to a broader range of events than simply Henry's break with Rome, and I don't think the end result would fit either of the two Usual Suspects, Calvanism or Luthernaism.
I can't even think off-hand of any reference texts that might give some leverage on this, except maybe _The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church_.
Sorry not to be able to be more helpful.
Robin
As a PS, the OED entry for REFORMATION in this sense has citations from about 1530, so the term *might* have been current and applied by some to Henry's Changes.
Here's the relevant bit:
REFORMATION, n1 ...
3 b. spec. Usu. with the and capital initial. The great religious movement of the 16th cent., the object of which was the reform of the doctrines and practices of the Church of Rome, and which ended in the establishment of the various Lutheran and Reformed Protestant Churches of Europe (with their later worldwide offshoots); esp. the reform carried out within the Churches of England and Ireland (from 1534 onwards) and the Church of Scotland (1560); (also) the period of time covered by this movement. Now hist.
The origins of the Reformation lie in the 14th- and 15th-cent. criticisms of the traditional teaching and institutional nature of the Church made by bodies such as the Lollards and the Hussites, but the Reformation is usually thought of as beginning in 1517 when Martin Luther issued ninety-five theses criticizing Church doctrine and practice. Over the following cent., the ideas of Luther and those of other reformers, especially Calvin and Zwingli, spread, were further developed, and became the dominant expressions of Christian faith across much of Europe, esp. the north.
[1531 Bp. W. Barlow Dyaloge Lutheran Faccyons sig. d 4v, Martyn
Luther..was iugged to be syngulerly chosen of god nowe in these latter days, for a dew reformacion of the hole worlde.
?1550 J. Bale Apol. agaynste Papyst Ep. Ded. sig. A.iii, The most
christen reformacyon of thys churche of Englande, whych is to other natyons a most wurthie spectacle, so they very turkyshely deryde & mocke.]
1563 N. Win?et Wks. (S.T.S.) I. 67 We ar sa tribulit be ?ow..for nocht
assenting generalie to ?our pr tendit Reformatioun.
1566 J. Rastell Third Bk. beware of M. Iewel f. 58v, Comparing it with
the Popishe Religion, and the Protestantes Reformation, let vs see, which of the two, is more like vnto it.
1588 J. de Fr geville Reformed Politicke 44 To the end to ship the
Clergy in the League, they wer perswaded, that within six moneths the Reformation should be vtterly extinguished.
a1631 J. Donne Serm. (1958) IX. 53 Those great assistants of the
Reformation, Luther, and Calvin.
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From: Mark Weiss
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 6:33 PM
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Received this from a friend: "What would contemporary court types have called Henry VIII's religious break from Rome? I'm editing a novel in which Anne Seymour keeps calling it 'The Reformation.'"
Got me curious, and I have no idea. Anybody have an answer, before I bother Robin Hamilton?
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