Doug
I apologise for this question. I have to ask but am not trying to make fun.
When you say:
>I think you're right that some of us (like me) tend to be too
anglo-centric,
thus issuing the modernisms of other languages/cultures.
and say "issuing", do you mean "problematising"?
I first came across the word "issue" as an alternative to "problem" or
"mistake" etc, a way by corporations it seemed to me of rewriting a
complaint, making it less worrying for them. I am due later to write to
Centrica, who deal in gas of all kinds over here, who have expressed regret
that I have issues when what I said was: they never answer communications!
If I read you correctly, this is a use of the word where the transition is
complete. BUT for all I know it is commonplace over there. I haven't
crossed the Atlantic in 2 and a half years.
Really a mere inquiry
L
On 22 November 2014 at 22:07, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I take your point(s), Lawrence.
>
> Indeed, it's clear the many rods of 'modernism's Britain were confused &
> confusing (certainly overlapping in many odd ways).
>
> I do think Donald Davie got a lot right in his Under Briggflatts, & that
> his account of the various streams is useful.
>
> I think you're right that some of us (like me) tend to be too
> anglo-centric, thus issuing the modernisms of other languages/cultures. As
> someone limited to the English language, I only know such work through
> translation, but it still allows for a lot. Yet, because what I learned
> most from are works in english, even there I suspect I red poetry from
> other languages through the english language poetics most important to me.
> Thus, how I read Celan, for example.
>
> Still, a useful nudge to think more subtly & in context(s)...
>
> Doug
> On Nov 21, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Walking to my place of work this morning I was thinking of all the
> things I
> > was going to say - and most of it I haven't - in reply
> > One was picking up on the mention of Hardy. & I wanted to aver my high
> > regard for those poems & also a lot of the modernist push... but I wanted
> > to say that it ain't so simple(resisting the temptation to go all ira
> > gershwin there) & thomas would have been one of my examples... well,the
> > example, but I was sure there were others. I'm not sure about that now.
> But
> > Edward Thomas certainly
> >
> > so ta for that
> >
> > & I was also going to say that it gets muddling once one steps out of the
> > anglo world & away from Ez or can do unless one does a great deal of work
> > Work's ok, but there's not always time
> >
> > I have a high regard for Ritsos, but my Greek is nowhere near good
> enough.
> > And my background reading is still undone decades after I stopped
> tramping
> > around Greece. So I have access to a body of work that's just sort of
> there
> > inexplicably in a largely empty room in my head
> >
> > a bit like Syd Barrett sitting there and I'm not quite sure who he is but
> > he's very familiar
> >
> > *
> > and the oddity of how some of us start and stop with enthusiasms.
> > Somewhere between pre dawn and my first coffee, that crack of Meliville's
> > about passing a coffin factory went through my mind and I decided that
> next
> > I shall read again Moby Dick
> >
> > that's all I have to say
> >
> > nice w/e all
> >
> > L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> > On 21 November 2014 16:48, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> [poem of the day from
> >> Poetry Foundation.org]
> >>
> >> The Thrush
> >> When Winter's ahead,
> >> What can you read in November
> >> That you read in April
> >> When Winter's dead?
> >>
> >> I hear the thrush, and I see
> >> Him alone at the end of the lane
> >> Near the bare poplar's tip,
> >> Singing continuously.
> >>
> >> Is it more that you know
> >> Than that, even as in April,
> >> So in November,
> >> Winter is gone that must go?
> >>
> >> Or is all your lore
> >> Not to call November November,
> >> And April April,
> >> And Winter Winter--no more?
> >>
> >> But I know the months all,
> >> And their sweet names, April,
> >> May and June and October,
> >> As you call and call
> >>
> >> I must remember
> >> What died into April
> >> And consider what will be born
> >> Of a fair November;
> >>
> >> And April I love for what
> >> It was born of, and November
> >> For what it will die in,
> >> What they are and what they are not,
> >>
> >> While you love what is kind,
> >> What you can sing in
> >> And love and forget in
> >> All that's ahead and behind.
> >>
> >> Edward Thomas 1878-1917
> >> [PF says:
> >> Thomas wrote his first poems in 1914 at the urging of the American poet
> >> Robert Frost,
> >> with whom he forged a friendship during Frost's years in England. ....
> >> in 1915 he enlisted in the infantry and was killed two years later in
> the
> >> Battle of Arras,
> >> while the first edition of his Poems (1917) was being prepared for
> press.]
> >>
> >
>
> Douglas Barbour
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> Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations & Continuation 2
> (UofAPress).
> Recording Dates (Rubicon Press).
>
> that we are only
> as we find out we are
>
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