Good morning to you all.
A couple of comments regarding pianos, nouns and verbs.
On 21/09/2014, at 03:02, Terence Love wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> I agree, for pianos and other products, people of earlier times appeared to
> not use the terms engineer or designer. The more common words were inventor
> and invention
>
> The term design (noun) was however used at that time to refer to the
> drawings of an invention for manufacture. In some cases, as was normal at
> that time, supported by design instructions encoded into cut sticks and
> patterns, which can be seen as extractions of the essence of tested
> prototypes.
>
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> It demonstrates how the *design* (noun) referring to the drawings for
> manufacture is characteristically and historically more common, and hence
> more important, than the verb form (designing) or the occupation 'designer'
> which seem absent from any discussions at the time. This is in spite of the
> earliest written use appearing to be the verb form. The language of the time
> it seems more common to refer to 'inventing', 'inventors' and 'inventions'
> in this, the 'design' is the drawing that is the means of communication of
> the invention to others for manufacture or recording. It appears the first
> written use of the term invention was in relation to music (!) around 1550,
> the written use of the term engineer coming in 200 years earlier around
> 1350 around the same time as the first written use of the term design, and
> with a similar meaning.
Terry:
Thank you for the lesson in piano history. However, you seemed to miss the point of that particular comment about the "grand piano", which was a pun in reply to Gunnar's mention of "Grand definitions".
I was hoping you had something to comment regarding the definition of design, instead of the definition of piano...
On 21/09/2014, at 06:47, Terence Love wrote:
> Clearly, the idea of design was written in other languages prior to it being used in English otherwise there wouldn't be etymological roots of the English term design as designare and designo.
>
> More importantly, there are words in other languages that mean the same as the English word design but in some cases precede it by decades, centuries or millennia: -
You're absolutely right here. I was starting to think you native english speakers were losing sight of the origins of these words.
However, the yet-to-be-established fact that people use more often the verb or the noun is absolutely useless to the endeavor of establishing a definition of "design".
A definition of design must contemplate the noun and the verb...
Once again, the discussion is slipping away into the labyrinth of semantics.
Don't forget your bread crumbs.
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