and thanks also to you, Bill - didn't see your message till now

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On 7 August 2014 22:45, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> A - men, Tim, Lawrence. Nobilityofwarspeak pukesome every time and in it
> creeps, creeps.
>
> Bill
>
> > On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:33 am, Tim Allen <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi poetryetc people.I know I don't post here hardly ever but Lawrence's
> post and Doug's pointing to the Edmonton Journal thing, which like him I
> agree with, has prompted me to say something.
> >
> > What some of us dreaded happening here in Britain as the WW1 centenary
> approached has indeed happened. The likelyhood of the establishment and the
> dickybowed historians coming out with their justifications for us (and
> hence the commonwealth) entering the war, about it being the right decision
> at the time etc, was very high. It was made even more likely by the renewed
> respect/sentimentality for the military and its values that due to 'the war
> on terror' has crept into our media over the past decade. The years of
> healthy and vital discussion about the stupidity and horror of war has been
> once again replaced by endless homilies to 'sacrifice' and 'honour' etc.
> The inbred notions, myths, lies, inverse values and pressures that led all
> those poor sods to go off and kill each other is now everywhere couched in
> non-judgmentla terms - everybody is a good guy - except the enemy of course
> - and the socio/political foundations based on hierarchy, duty, class and
> obedience that gave structure (and still do) to enable what happened to
> happen are treated as quite normal givens, like the weather. The fact that
> the very same inbred notions, myths, lies, inverse values and pressures
> were shared by the soldiers on the other side doesn't seem to enter the
> debate any more.
> >
> > Children are told all about the horror of WW1while at the same time
> being fed endless homilies to those who enacted the horror.
> >
> > I am not a pacifist, at least I don't think I am, but I would love to
> see a record label rerelease Donovan's 'Universal Soldier' in this climate.
> >
> > And don't get me started on ******* Israel.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Tim A.
> >
> >> On 7 Aug 2014, at 16:20, Douglas Barbour wrote:
> >>
> >> Lawrence
>