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Re: Cloud storage for archiving film

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Mike Ellis <[log in to unmask]>

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Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:53:34 +0100

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I'd consider a (few) Synology NAS and fill them up with disks.

We got one on Tom Goskar's advice and I'm massively impressed. It does
storage (obviously) but also has a lovely control interface which lets you
auto backup - either locally or to Glacier, another Synology NAS, a network
location, Dropbox etc.

It also has a safe and easy to use method that lets you define users who
can see it outside your network. Oh, and apps on iPad and android for
getting at / syncing files.

We paid about £350 I think for 4TB but you can up the disk space
considerably if you need.

That - plus Zak's advice about having several locations etc

Cheers

Mike


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On 13 Aug 2014 14:38, "Giuseppe Sollazzo" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
> just to add to Zak's (very useful!) reply, I'd probably mention that
> according to what budget you have you might follow very different options.
> Going by ear, I think that buying a couple of NAS<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage> units and placing
> them, as Zak says, in two different sites, could do. You would then have
> some cron job to synchronise the two.
>
> E-buyer and Amazon both sell 20TB units for about £2,000, but you could
> get something cheaper than that, or even an empty NAS for a tenth of that
> and allocate disks as it seems fit.
>
> If your budget is much larger than that, then a SAN​<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_area_network>, but it might be
> overkill, and you will definitely need some on-site IT support.
>
> If you then want to have a further backup in the cloud, you could use, on
> a less frequent basis, something like Amazon Glacier<
> http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/pricing/> - basically they allow you to
> send DVDs/USB keys with the data and keep them for you, with high latency
> in case of data recovery (so it's "in the cloud" but less promptly
> accessible than, say EC2 or S3, and considerably cheaper).
>
> If you have an internal IT unit, though, it might also be worth
> investigating the purchase of a tape backup unit. The range of prices and
> service level here is high, but it could be cheaper in the medium term.
>
> If you need any specific detail, feel free to get in touch and I can
> explain how we run our backup strategy here at SGUL.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Giuseppe Sollazzo
> Senior System Analyst
>
> Member of the Open Data User Group (Cabinet Office)
> Member of the Health and Social Care Transparency Panel (Department of
> Health)
>
> Computing Services
> Information Services
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> London SW17 0RE
>
> [log in to unmask]
> +44 20 8725 5160
> @sgulit
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Zak Mensah
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 13 August 2014 14:24
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [MCG] Cloud storage for archiving film
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> There are several key factors which I'll highlight below BUT there is lots
> more detail elsewhere. Also I have never heard about files eating
> themselves.... maybe they are referring to the dangers of storing data in
> one place and are worried about this being corrupted... but eating sounds
> way more fun way to describe
>
> 1 - Total storage needed, for how long, will it need to be accessed during
> this period or is purely for backup?
> 2- Network capacity to upload and download the material, most networks
> will struggle on this point so you need to seek advice from your network
> provider
> 3- will you want to work 'live' on any of this material if so see point 2.
> 4- what security level do you require the data to be stored at?
>
> 8 TB is actually fairly small these days and an obvious solution I'd
> consider is....
>
> 1 - buy 10TB of external hard-drive in either 1 or 2TB chunks. Back up
> everything using a proper copying tool (which checks the data is there)
> 2 buy another 10TB and copy point 1 - this will be a backup in case any of
> '1' is destroyed or damaged (hard drives only last about 5 years as a rule
> of thumb). NEVER STORE both backups on the same site.
> 3 - if you have the budget then also store on a cloud provider. In the UK
> I would first pursue https://www.gov.uk/how-to-use-cloudstore and that
> store is great to get costings and see the key issues. Amazon cloud E2 may
> be an option also but you may need to use Europe only data centres
>
> Shout if I can be of any further help - I was looking into this last year
> for a similar project and also now looking at 1000TB options...
>
> As for the interviews then get them to send a hard drive...
>
>
> Yes there are tons of other smarter ways but the above has proven to work
> for me over the last 10 years without lots of bother and I know the risks
> of the above and weigh em up... Put the G-Cloud costings into the HLF bid
> as they accept this (if they didn't cost this into the budget then I'd
> suggest running and hiding ha)
>
> Zak Mensah
> Head of Digital
> Bristol Museums, Galleries & Archives
> [log in to unmask]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Martin Bazley
> Sent: 13 August 2014 14:07
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [MCG] Cloud storage for archiving film
>
> Dear all
>
> I am working on an HLF project and have been asked for advice about online
> storage for archive film clips and newly created films.   I am aware of
> some cloud storage options but the issue in this case (see below) is the
> high volume of storage required, meaning that ongoing costs could be quite
> high.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Martin
>
> PS I quite like the notion that digital files have to 'keep moving'
> otherwise they 'eat themselves' ...
>
>
> ---------
>
> Please could I ask you a couple of other questions about our film archive?
>
>
> ·         Firstly, I urgently need to back up all our High Res files. I've
> been advised that Cloud Storage may be the best solution for this because
> digital files need to 'keep moving' otherwise they 'eat themselves' and you
> lose all your data. This has somewhat frightened me so I'd like to get
> everything backed-up as soon as possible!! However, the total size of our
> High Res files is 8.13TB - so not a small task...
>
>
> ·         Secondly, the Regional Officers need to send me copies of their
> interviews so I can back them up here. One of these files alone could be
> 30GB so again, no small task.
>
> I have spoken to Dropbox for Business who can give us unlimited storage
> space but would not be a long term storage solution as too costly. Would be
> £431 for all our officers to access the dropbox until end of March 2015 so
> would only solve problem of transferring files.
>
> ---------
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Martin Bazley
> Digital heritage consultant
> Martin Bazley & Associates
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> Wimbledon
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