I put my hands up Simon. I misread your email. I agree with your point!
As Larsson once said, 'Pants first, trousers second.'
Cahal
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From: Media, Communications and Cultural Studies Association (MeCCSA) [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dawes, Simon 2005 (PGR) [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 31 July 2014 09:43
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
Apologies for having spoken on behalf of others. Allow me to rephrase my argument. I’m angry at the Israeli government at the moment because of the “shameful” bombing of schools etc – as I’m angry at al-Assad etc for the atrocities they’ve committed. But I’m even angrier with Israel, and consequently more vocal about my anger, not because the number of victims is higher (which it isn’t), but because I’m confronted with people (in everyday life and in the media) who defend Israel’s actions, or who seem reluctant to criticise Israel directly. I’m yet to meet anybody who is willing to defend al-Assad, however. As the Guardian article, to which Cahal links, says: “The US, which has been at odds with Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, over efforts to secure a ceasefire, condemned the school shelling but did not specifically blame Israel.” The failure to ‘specifically blame Israel’ frustrates me personally. Expressing that anger and frustration does not mean that I (or, I believe, anybody else) fully endorse(s) Hamas rockets, as Elina keeps suggesting, and certainly not that I think that al-Assad or Isis (as suggested in the HP article) are not as bad as Israel. I just don’t wake up in the morning asking ‘why can’t anybody see that what al-Assad is doing is shameful?’.
Again, sorry for having spoken on behalf of others; I was just responding to the introduction of the HP article into the debate.
Simon
Simon Dawes
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From: Cahal McLaughlin [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 31 July 2014 09:43
To: Dawes, Simon 2005 (PGR); [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: Behind the News from Gaza
Dear Simon,
You cannot tell me why I am angry. Much less can you tell me that it has to do with the fact that 'Israel is Israel'. Your argument is shallow, not evidence-based and presumptuous.
Today's report from the Guardian, quoting the UN as describing Israel's actions as 'shameful', might give you a better clue as to my anger: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel.
Less of the rhetoric and more of the evidence, please.
Cahal
Cahal McLaughlin
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Sent: 31 July 2014 08:27
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
Hi Ingo (and all) – I’m afraid I do not consider that Huffington Post article to be noteworthy, or to add anything to this discussion. It’s naïve and one-sided whilst pretending to be a sober, objective and neutral take on the issue.
The reason people on this list and elsewhere are angry about Israel’s long-term treatment of the Palestinians, and the current bombardment in particular, is that ‘popular opinion’ has for so long been to excuse anything Israel does just because they’re Israel. No-one on this list would ever excuse Isis, and all would no doubt denounce al-Assad in Syria. But our political leaders aren’t exactly rushing to arm or defend them, and no-one’s treading on eggshells for fear of saying anything critical of them that might appear racist. It’s always been much more of a sensitive issue to criticise Israel, and it’s incredibly frustrating that political leaders in the west are not more explicitly denouncing what Israel is currently doing – as they have done with al-Assad.
Simon Dawes
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Sent: 31 July 2014 08:58
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Subject: Re: Behind the News from Gaza
Sorry guys, but I am really disgusted about the tone of this "discussion". Though I definitely don't agree with many of Elina's points I admire her for standing up to this endless barrage of all-too-often personal mudslinging at her. Imho the last 16 hours or so have not been precisely an example of academic discussion on this list but rather of knee-jerk reflexes. Sorry... A few might find this article noteworthy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/post_8056_b_5602701.html
Ingo
Am 31.07.2014 08:33, schrieb Elina Bardach-Yalov:
This is a very interesting comment - you actually have no idea that in Israel bomb shelters are build in the houses. And this is only because since 1970s-80s the government ordered to build bomb shelters in every single building (we have rockets and missiles exploding here quite frequently). The fact that HAMAS ordered the civilians not to do it (human shield, you know) is a huge problem for the IDF.
Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov
David Yellin College of Education
On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Gabriel Moreno <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Do all of you people under the barrage of Hamas terrorist rockets have internet-ready bomb shelters? That goes some way to explain how you manage to disassociate yourself from the conditions experienced by innocent women and children in Gaza. "They're all terrorists, kill them all"
Sent from my iPad
On 31 Jul 2014, at 02:17, Elina Bardach-Yalov <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
I wish someone was paying me for these emails, unfortunately no one does. But frankly saying, I don't care. When you are sitting in the bomb shelter and have absolutely no social life it is quite nice to talk to other people even if they disagree with you...
Dr. Elina Bardach-Yalov
David Yellin College of Education
On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:37 PM, Emad S M <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Elina, over zealous dedication indicates you are using this forum as part of your media job. However, looking at your emotional responses and utterly unreasonable justifications indicate a high level of tension on the Israeli side. Nothing personal here, you probably are a very good person, but sometimes a man has to wonder if your motives are financial or just mere indoctrination. I do not rule out either, but most probably I'd put it down as a financially motivated negating dogma. Perhaps it is too late to fight a media war you are already losing, thanks to the out-of-control Israeli Army that turned Gaza into a scene from a horror movie.
Calling the occupation 'propaganda' is frankly embarrassing. If the Israeli officials truly believe that marketing such an out of this world notion, then...well, it indicates nothing but those people are running out of words and pretexts, let alone directions. I am not going to explain to you why Gaza is a land under military occupation, you probably know that but choose to close your eyes to the blunt facts and pretend they do not exist with the hope someday the problem will sort itself out. I'm sorry to break it to you, but..no, it will not sort itself out whether or not you choose to ignore it.
What Israel is going through at the moment, like it always has, is a textbook post-holocaust existential paranoia coupled with a wide scale indoctrination that aims to eliminate and dehumanize the other - the Palestinian people - as a possible existential threat. It is not about Hamas or Islamic Jihad or whoever, but rather against any Palestinian who stands up to the occupation. The Israeli Army - wounded by unexpected resistance - is clearly targeting the social infrastructure of the 'terrorist organizations', hoping to break the will of Palestinians to fight. I wonder, if Palestinians choose to surrender - which is a far-fetched imagination and you know that - then what? Will Israel leave them alone? Can Israel genuinely live and let them live? Or even more importantly, is Israel capable of co-existing with a Palestinian state? Psychologically speaking, can Israel survive without a military occupation?
On behalf of the Palestinian families who were blown up to smithereens, Thank you, but sorry, apology not accepted. Have the Jews ever imagined being able to hunt down Nazi officers and bring them to justice?! Someday...
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