Thank you, Angela.
I think your argument for not censoring a crucial discussion and trusting ourselves to behave respectfully and to make the choice to withdraw, if necessary, should underpin a debate between colleagues in media and communication.
Best wishes,
Cahal
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Sent: 30 July 2014 16:48
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This is extraordinary and bizarre. Why censor a conversation that many people are interested in? I agree that personal attacks are not helpful but surely as a group of academics we can sort of the ad hominem attacks for the good stuff? Even if only a handful more people have read Judith Butlers piece (circulated earlier) we will have done a little to move discussion away from mudslinging to a consideration of the complexity of the situation.
I have been involved in discussions on another forum this week in which I was the only person speaking up for the Palestinians and, yes its painful to be attacked, specially when so much of the attack is ill thought through and illogical. I chose in the end to withdraw - that was my choice. I did't try to stop the others talking. As scholars in the field of Communications we must surely be trusted to talk to one another on this sensitive subject without the need of a ‘nanny’.
Angela
On 30 Jul 2014, at 16:37, Stuart Price <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
An interesting development: censorship 'lite' under the guise of preventing (among other things) 'personal attacks'?
I'm sure most of us feel no 'personal' animosity towards any of the contributors - more worrying is the tactical attempt to characterise this exchange as an attack on one individual, when in fact the useful aspect of the discussion is academic/political
I think we're all prepared to excuse the occasional emotional outburst (on either, or on any 'side'), because it would be a very unfeeling individual who did not recognise the 'affective' character of this topic, or who was unwilling to make some allowances for personal experience
However, the relative isolation of Dr Bardach-Yalov - besides her background in 'reputation management' - can be traced in part to her reluctance to engage in normative standards of argument (the intellectual or logical demands of making a reasonably watertight case)
She may not be alone in this, but it would be a mistake to accept the line that this is a matter of 'personality' when the list may in fact be functioning as it should
She
Stuart
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Sent: 30 July 2014 16:02
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Dear Lisa,
By which editorial process will you decide what should be said and by whom on this subject association's communication forum?
Are you preventing us from commenting on media coverage of the current massacre in Gaza by the Israeli government, supported by our own governments?
Are you suggesting that such a discussion is not possible on this list?
Best wishes,
Cahal
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