If you say so, Patrick!
L
On 12 June 2014 11:44, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> And the horde of the Mcmanii had some nice caves in the first ice age
> hidden
> on Brixton Hill by the good ol river Effra (where the word F came from) we
> used to wage wars with the Uptonnes Hordes a motley but jolly crew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton
> Sent: 12 June 2014 10:54
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: pat snap 630 !"!"!"
>
> Do.
> It's "always" been there. (They used to think the Romans founded London but
> keep finding quite large structures from way back. TG is on a Roman road
> and
> that, it's said, is what Tooting means via a lost item of the a-s vocab.
> Graveney is a Norman family name, and the Normans still run the country.
> There's a Graveney near Faversham in Kent (a one time major port)... that I
> can only explain by reference to the creation of myself and a friend in
> yoof, the Royal Society of Transportation of Towns, which builds duplicates
> nationally and internationally as part of job creation.
> There's a Streatham, where I used to live, next to TG, somewhere in East
> Anglia I believe + of course London Ontario and Launcester in your own
> sunburnt country etc et cetera
>
> L
>
>
> On 12 June 2014 07:27, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I'll add Tooting Graveney to Wandle as another t'riffic name. L, P.
> >
> > B
> >
> > On 12/06/2014, at 1:19 AM, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> >
> > > He was, the sad creature. The Graveney is a tributary of the Wandle
> > > and
> > you
> > > could see it about to go underground a mile or so south of my
> > > parents
> > house
> > > in Tooting Graveney. That house had a coal cellar. In the winter it
> > > was inches deep in water. There were something like 40 houses along
> > > one side
> > of
> > > our road where there had been 4 in the days that Johnson went
> > > sniffing after the scent of Mrs Thrale - you could spit at Thrale Rd
> > > from where I was teenaged, and sometimes I did. Presumably the
> > > forces of Edwardian capitalism decided there was no need to allow a
> > > space to the ghost of a river.
> > >
> > > Anyway, dear boy, do show respect to our natural powers. Let's live
> > > by British values.
> > >
> > > pip pip
> > >
> > > L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11 June 2014 16:13, Patrick McManus
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> William Morris was the man picked the Wandle and inspired -News
> From
> > >> Nowhere
> > >> P
> > >> Ps sorry L to offend your mighty river
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
> > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On
> > >> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton
> > >> Sent: 11 June 2014 12:41
> > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> Subject: Re: pat snap 630 !"!"!"
> > >>
> > >> Pat as a citizen once of and now near the Wandle I take issue with
> > >> your description of its being piddling. Too much re and
> > >> misdirection; but in
> > its
> > >> unaltered state it was a substantial Thames tributary and a major
> > centre of
> > >> early industrialisation
> > >>
> > >> L
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 11 June 2014 12:35, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Pat, I laughed. Like the local content too. But you might consider
> > >>> butting out one of your buts. Two buts throws readers out. Line 4
> > >>> could simply begin, 'It was' for instance without disarming your
> flow.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bill
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 11 Jun 2014, at 6:39 pm, Patrick McManus <
> > >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> RIVER
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am not
> > >>>> criticising
> > >>>> she said
> > >>>> but it was
> > >>>> all very well
> > >>>> naming our son
> > >>>> Moses
> > >>>> but isn't it
> > >>>> a bit much
> > >>>> to make a cradle
> > >>>> to tar it
> > >>>> to float it
> > >>>> in the river
> > >>>> after all
> > >>>> the Wandle
> > >>>> is hardly
> > >>>> the Nile
> > >>>> and as far
> > >>>> as I know
> > >>>> there are no
> > >>>> Pharaoh's Daughters
> > >>>> living in
> > >>>> Earlsfield
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> pmcmanus
> > >>>> r573
> > >>>> some here will know this but
> > >>>>
> > >>>> River Wandle is a local piddling River Earlsfied -is a
> > >>>> sub-suburbia nearby This inspired by partner suddenly taking up a
> > >>>> writing course -subject
> > >>> 'River
> > >>>> Wandle'
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
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