Thanks, Mike, for this interesting idea. And Ian's example too.
I've checked the 1839 tithe plan. Unfortunately, in this particular
township (Quarrington), this is exasperatingly devoid of evidence
about mines and waggonways that are known from other sources to have
been present by then and, in the case of many of the pits,
considerably earlier...
But it might be interesting that "Cinder Pit" was situated in a part
of a field that was, indeed, sundered from what had been a larger
field, by a waggonway (from another colliery). It is today (2014)
combined with the field beyond it (though the satellite view shows the
old field boundary). But perhaps when the pit was sunk it was after
the waggonway was built, in a small "sundered" field.
That would date its sinking to between the 1830s, when the waggonway
was built, and the 1850s, when the first OS map was surveyed.
My main doubt about this interesting theory, however, is whether the
word "sunder", already corrupted to "cinder", was current at that
time. Other examples seem to date from some centuries earlier. But
it would explain why a "cinder pit" was, perhaps, used to extract good
quality coal.
Thanks again.
Mike
===
On 8 Apr 2014, at 17:27, Ian Pope wrote:
> It is said that the town name Cinderford comes not from cinder heaps
> from the ironworks there but from Sunder 'far distant', i.e. far
> distant ford
>
> Ian
>
> On 8 Apr 2014, at 15:19, M J Shaw wrote:
>
>> In the Shrewsbury coalfields there are fields named Cinder Piece
>> and Cinder Meadow, they are on productive coal measures but at a
>> location where there is no hint of mining. The other possible
>> reading of cinder field names is related to sundered, i.e. away
>> from the main holding, could the pits be thus and not mining related.
>> Mike Shaw
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Syer" <[log in to unmask]
>> >
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 2:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [mining-history] Cinder pits
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>>
>>> Thanks very much for all the suggestions, which are greatly
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> I can see, on the map I'm working from, a line labelled "Busty
>>> cindered to the north of this line", at the point presumably
>>> referred to in Dave Williams' message. And there is a boring
>>> nearby indicating 18" dolerite, 15" cindered coal and 9" coal in
>>> the Busty seam. These are about a mile north of the Hett Dyke,
>>> which runs roughly WSW to ENE.
>>>
>>> The "Cinder Pit" I first enquired about is roughly a mile south
>>> of this dyke.
>>>
>>> I'm severely hampered by my own ignorance, I'm afraid... But I
>>> don't really understand why cindered coal would have been mined.
>>> I thought before that this "cindered" coal indicated a problem,
>>> not an asset.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Apr 2014, at 13:09, David Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> A quick look in Smith and Francis 'Geology of the Country
>>>> between Durham and
>>>> West Hartlepool' provides much information on the cindering of
>>>> coal seams by
>>>> intrusive dykes and sills.
>>>>
>>>> In particular it states on page 48 - '1.25 miles N.E. of Bowburn
>>>> Upcast Pit
>>>> the coal (Busty Seam), the coal is 33 ins. Thick, but 100 yards
>>>> farther to
>>>> the N.N.E. 15 ins. of cindered coal lies on 9 ins of uncindered
>>>> coal and the
>>>> seam is overlain by 18ins of 'whin' (dolerite)'.
>>>>
>>>> The section on dykes and sills, including their cindering of
>>>> coal seams, can
>>>> be found on pages 187-191.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Dave Williams
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mining-history [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Mike Syer
>>>> Sent: 07 April 2014 17:37
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Cinder pits
>>>>
>>>> Please can some one advise me why a coal mine shaft might have been
>>>> called "Cinder Pit"?
>>>>
>>>> There was one at Quarrington [i.e. Bowburn], in Durham. But I see
>>>> from web-search that there were others called this, elsewhere in
>>>> the
>>>> country.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Mike
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