Hi G.H. and list
>So, in a way, I think that the human might equate to a sense of self, but
>only as long as it is recognized that the sensing of self is not a
>subjective >vague idea, but an actual material process constantly occuring
>out there in the populous world.
>Puns, and maybe code itself, give us a clue to computability and
>expressivity and their linkage.
that's exactly what I mean... bloody hell. We're not even presumed to have a
sense of self any more de facto. Well thanks. I'm sure I can't think why
some people think 'I'm not a me I'm just part of the populous world',
meanwhile back at the clinic...
maybe what you say does relate to the fleshly reality of me and not-me after
all. I think it's all of those things, and we should consider the self as
important to mental health
On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:55 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Barbara
> I've read your post a couple of times and am not clear how you arrived at
> your extrapolated speculation as stated:
> <I speculate that when we are presented with a pun, we *feel* the
> disequilibrium of the non-human, i.e., we feel our cognitive processes as
> autonomous from our sense of self>
> Do you mean to imply that 'our' cognitive process are somehow capable as
> being 'felt' as 'non-human'? Can you perhaps expand on this?
> Do you also mean to imply that 'human' equates to 'a sense of self'?.
> With many thanks
> Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Lattanzi <[log in to unmask]>
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> <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 10:26:48
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Barbara Lattanzi <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] Fwd: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] on
> interpreters and compilers
> Fork-bomb is a thing of beauty but it is not a pun. Here is a pun (at
> least it is in US english)...
> A duck walks into a drugstore and says, "Give me a chapstick and put it on
> my bill."
> It is a pun for two reasons:
> 1. It requires cross-referencing at least two unrelated lexicons of
> 2. It triggers in the brain something analogous to the computational
> "halting problem"...an uncomputability as to actionable meaning.
> With forkbomb, the ultimate result is measurable quantifiably (its
> "extensive" property of running as many times as it can).
> With the pun, the result is not quantifiable, but an "intensive" quality
> that can only exist at a bifurcation point of meaning. (Hamlet had a
> similar "intensive" problem).
> A pun presents an intensive problem of meaning to solve. But the
> "solution" is an endless oscillation, until a choice is made between
> lexicons, based on an immanent context.
> The Deleuze/DeLanda example of the material expressivity of the halting
> problem is the formation of a soap bubble...i.e., a thin soap film that,
> when presented with different air pressure on either side of its surface
> which has reached a critical intensity, must compute and "make a decision"
> as to whether/when to reach the equilibrium of a sphere.
> Extrapolating, I speculate that when we are presented with a pun, we
> *feel* the disequilibrium of the non-human, i.e., we feel our cognitive
> processes as autonomous from our sense of self. These cognitive processes
> have their own ways of dealing with the halting problem...oscillating for
> the sheer pleasure of it, and as the late Hollis Frampton said, doing so
> "whether we pay them any mind or not."
> Puns are every bit as computational as fork-bombs, but not the same thing.
> Barbara Lattanzi
> Associate Professor of Interactive Arts
> School of Art and Design
> NYSCC at Alfred University
> Alfred, NY USA
> On Mar 23, 2014, at 7:41 AM, "D. Neal McDonald" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> That is the first tattoo I've been tempted by in a while. Shades of
>> Obfuscated C! Unix is a pile of puns and grammar jokes like this.
>> puns. As it were.
>> Siri strikes me as something that could do scripting puns in a more
>> right-brain manner, like when that Scot asked for a sandwitch and she
>> told him
>> she didn't know where to get pajamas. Programming languages are short on
>>> I have a deep and long running affection for programming puns. I'm sure
>>> people will be aware of Jaromil's fork bomb
>>> The elegance of this one seems like the direct opposite of other kinds
>>> programming word play (such as the ones Rob mentions below). The
>>> though is in the way that they sort of duck in and out of being about
>>> performative action (as in being computational) and being a formal game.
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: Rob Myers <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] on interpreters and compilers
>>> Date: 22 March 2014 22:36:47 GMT
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Reply-To: Rob Myers <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>