roger
appreciate your comments, but in this specific case i dont see how they
apply. the curator is spanish speaking and none of the "pioneers" are !
but yes, i love nahum too :)
best
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, roger malina <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> bronac
>
> yes we have already had a discussion on the yasmin list and one of the
> points that i tried to make is that the gender issue is only one of many
> exclusion mechanisms in our social processes- and that curators
> as key gatekeepers in our ecology play important roles- this l,ist would
> be a good place to discuss the diversity in curators themselves
>
> dont know what the gender statistics are for curators in the art-sci-tech
> community of practice
>
> by coming back to the exclusion point- i also noted the research
> these days about homophily in social media and that there is much
> evidence that social media and on line behaviour tends to reinforce
> like minded people to cluster - and greater polarisation than in physical
> space
>
> an easy example is linguistic segregation and that curators naturally
> work with artists whose language they share ( and i think that was
> the comment re no french artists in the exhibition being discussed here)
>
> several of us have been going every year to the Kosmica events in mexico
> city
> organised by nahum mantra and one of the delights there- in an
> esoteric community of practice- has been the bridging of language
> groups in space arts and becoming aware of the work of mexican
> artists in space arts- even though their work is on the web- we
> tend to read web sites in our own language even if there are now
> crude translation tools- of course the fact that search engines re inforce
> the linguistic segregation adds to this..as a curator nahum mantra
> navigates seamlessly between the english and spanish speaking worlds
> and this translation role enables more inclusion
>
> so i think we need to broaden the gender discussion in the history
> of our field to other exclusion mechanisms
>
> roger malina
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:35 AM, pedro <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Annick, many thanks for the info - do you have links ? pdfs ?
> >
> > best
> >
> > pedro
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ricardo Dal Farra has done a comprehensive survey of South American
> > > pionners in contemporary-electronic music.
> > > Many researchers are currently working on pioneers in Chile.
> > > The Brazilian are quite well documented (in English in Leonardo and in
> > > French in the book I edited for the @rt Outsiders Festival in 2005)
> > > This history is being writen, documented, and discussed in places like
> > the
> > > conf. Media Art Histories and also in some sessions at ISEA.
> > > It is NOT the documentation that is really missing ...
> > >
> > > annick
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 05/02/14 15:25, pedro a écrit :
> > >
> > > sarah, that is excellent news - thanks for that info.
> > >>
> > >> right ashok, only europe and united states (and one japanese, resident
> > in
> > >> paris) are represented !
> > >>
> > >> ah sorry, there are 3 bogotá boys - emerging contemporary artists and
> > >> university teachers - i can only imagine that they are friends of the
> > >> curator because they are certainly not "responsible for pioneering
> > >> processes and innovations that we use regularly to communicate
> research,
> > >> ideas and ideology" ...
> > >>
> > >> laura - maybe you could ask John Angel to have a look at this thread
> and
> > >> help us understand the context of his curatorial decisions ... it
> would
> > be
> > >> very helpful. Would be great to see the budget too (Bill Viola ?
> Damien
> > >> Hisrt (sic) ????) but that's probably asking too much.
> > >>
> > >> A pair of my favourite south american pioneers : Juan Downey (from
> > chile,
> > >> pioneer of video and interactive art, co-editor of Radical Software)
> and
> > >> Jacqueline Nova, the first electroacoustic music composer in Colombia.
> > >> Tellingly both artists lived much of their lives in the north (Juan in
> > NYC
> > >> and Jacqueline in Paris). However, they are both dead.
> > >>
> > >> best
> > >>
> > >> pedro
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Sarah Cook <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> further to this discussion some of you may have noticed the
> > Art+Feminism
> > >>> Wikipedia Edit-a-thon which took place across the globe on Saturday
> > >>> February 1st.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism
> > >>> http://artandfeminism.tumblr.com/
> > >>> https://eyebeam.org/events/art-feminism-wikipedia-edit-a-thon
> > >>> 80 or so new articles were created, and more than 60 expanded or
> > cleaned
> > >>> up, and a movement was started.
> > >>>
> > >>> In Dundee we are going to host another one, probably March 13th, and
> > >>> start
> > >>> to have regular get-togethers to increase the amount of information
> > about
> > >>> women artists on that most global of resources.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you want to add to the list of pages which need editing or
> creating
> > on
> > >>> Wikipedia, please do so.
> > >>>
> > >>> and yes, I agree, it is a race and gender issue.... and I feel we
> need to
> > >>> be
> > >>> aware with exhibitions that they are a key part in the
> historicisation
> > >>> of a
> > >>> field of practice, especially when they are the "first" show on a
> topic
> > >>> in
> > >>> a place or a show that purports to show "pioneers" - how can we
> balance
> > >>> this hyperbole around the practice and complicate the picture of the
> > >>> field
> > >>> we work in? This particular show in question was collectively
> curated,
> > >>> but
> > >>> raises an important problem in this regard.
> > >>>
> > >>> sarah
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 5 Feb 2014, at 12:35, Bronac Ferran <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> > >>> [log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Annick and colleagues
> > >>>
> > >>> The exhibition in Bogota was curated by John Angel Rodriquez - yes?
> > >>>
> > >>> There has also be some exchange on the Yasmin list about this. One
> > >>> contributor commented that there were no French artists involved. I
> > don't
> > >>> know if this was a serious comment.
> > >>>
> > >>> Liliane Lijn is someone whose work has been pioneering in many
> senses.
> > >>> She
> > >>> wrote a lovely essay recently called Poetry, Language, Code, Industry
> > >>> which
> > >>> we commissioned for the Visualise: Making Art in Context publication
> > >>> (published by Anglia Ruskin University November 2013). If anyone
> wishes
> > >>> to
> > >>> contact me offlist I can try to send you the book or at least the
> > essay.
> > >>> Annick, it is not (yet) in French but I guess could be easily
> > translated
> > >>> -
> > >>> I could ask Liliane - and certainly it offers good insights into the
> > >>> nature of being a female artist on pioneering ground over the past
> five
> > >>> decades.
> > >>> Best wishes
> > >>> B
> > >>> Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]<mailto:bur
> > >>> [log in to unmask]
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Sender: "Curating digital art - www.crumbweb.org<
> > >>> http://www.crumbweb.org>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> > >>> [log in to unmask]>>
> > >>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:51:18
> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> > >>> [log in to unmask]>>
> > >>> Reply-To: Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]<mailto:bur
> > >>> [log in to unmask]
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] digital / analogue exhibition
> > >>>
> > >>> The spontaneous list was necessary as a reaction, but I
> > >>> would be more reluctant in building a map : it puts again
> > >>> women in an inferior position.
> > >>> Reacting, like in this case, is more important to me and of
> > >>> course including them in exhibitions, conferences, etc. And
> > >>> documenting their work through art history research and writing.
> > >>> This said, in the Leonardo/Olats Pioneers & Pathbreakers
> > >>> project : only one women + a couple !!! Ouch ! Should I do
> > >>> what I advocate for ?!
> > >>> OK. We did not move further into this project by lack of
> > >>> fundings, but still...
> > >>> If someone is ready to write in French about a woman, I
> > >>> would be delighted. I would love to have something on Vera
> > >>> Molnar. At the moment, I have zero budget to move on, on
> > >>> this project ... and it does take real time to do it in a
> > >>> professional way.
> > >>> If someone is interested ....
> > >>>
> > >>> Annick
> > >>>
> > >>> Le 05/02/14 12:01, Prof. Monika Fleischmann a écrit :
> > >>> .... working on a growing map would be a really nice idea.
> > >>> Monika
> > >>>
> > >>> Am 05.02.14 11:39, schrieb Pauline van Mourik Broekman:
> > >>> Hey Marc, no sweat, that's how I - for one - read it
> > >>> completely; and I
> > >>> really don't understand how anyone could be insulted by
> > >>> such an incredibly
> > >>> generous list. Clearly, we're not looking here for an
> > >>> ultimate and newly
> > >>> objective 'map', that's the whole point! We're looking
> > >>> more for an
> > >>> approach and awareness, of different partialities, and how
> > >>> to robustly
> > >>> tilt them......
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for the hour, and hours, you put in :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Pauline.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> marc garrett wrote:
> > >>> Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> I just wanted to respond to those surprised I did not
> > >>> included them in
> > >>> the list.
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, of course I'm going to miss out names and you're
> > >>> missing the
> > >>> point. It's an example not a literal replacement.
> > >>>
> > >>> I spent an hour of my time compiling the selected
> > >>> 'female' names to
> > >>> highlight how extensive this issue is.
> > >>>
> > >>> We need to change this not by compiling lists (it's a
> > >>> start) but by
> > >>> challenging our own compliance allowing it to happen. It
> > >>> misrepresents
> > >>> our culture and practice and we should be embarrassed if
> > >>> we let it go on.
> > >>>
> > >>> When ever women and working class people, are viewed
> > >>> through the usual
> > >>> protocols and defaults of the patriarchal gaze of an
> > >>> 'assumed'
> > >>> objectivity. It implements a mythology via processes of
> > >>> non-inclusion.
> > >>> This enhances the condition to further introduce the idea
> > >>> of women and
> > >>> others not included as subordinates rather than as being
> > >>> part of the
> > >>> whole story.
> > >>>
> > >>> Recognizing this condition is the start of being
> > >>> conscious of it.
> > >>> Critiquing this repeated behaviour demands another level
> > >>> of engagement.
> > >>>
> > >>> To borrow a phrase from Haraway, it would have to be "a
> > >>> feminist voice;
> > >>> it is also a whisper of humanism".
> > >>>
> > >>> Wishing you well.
> > >>>
> > >>> marc
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------
> > >>> Annick Bureaud ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>)
> > >>> tel: 33/(0)1 43 20 92 23
> > >>> mobile/cell : 33/(0)6 86 77 65 76
> > >>> Leonardo/Olats : http://www.olats.org
> > >>> Web : http://www.annickbureaud.net
> > >>> Collectif Nunc : http://www.nunc.com
> > >>> -------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> ===
> > >>>
> > >>> Dr. Sarah Cook
> > >>> Reader / Dundee Fellow
> > >>> Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art and Design
> > >>> University of Dundee
> > >>> 13 Perth Road DD1 4HT
> > >>>
> > >>> phone: 01382 385247
> > >>> email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No:
> SC015096
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > --
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > > Annick Bureaud ([log in to unmask])
> > > tel: 33/(0)1 43 20 92 23
> > > mobile/cell : 33/(0)6 86 77 65 76
> > > Leonardo/Olats : http://www.olats.org
> > > Web : http://www.annickbureaud.net
> > > Collectif Nunc : http://www.nunc.com
> > > -------------------------
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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