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Re: transgender and paganism

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mandrake <[log in to unmask]>

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Society for The Academic Study of Magic <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:01:33 +0000

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Maddie et al

Cheers for that - so long ago since i read that must have mixed it up 
with something i read at the time -
was checking in the Bod but their edition doesn't have an index so could 
n't find any reference to sex-change/transexual etc in there or indeed
kate millet's sexual politics - which was other thing i was reading at 
the time at school .

I'm quite disappointed about the other stuff germain greer has written 
although realise she is something of a provocature -
and guess it is still an issue for some feminists when someone not born 
female assumes a leadership role that would once have been
reserved for women. I guess the recent controversy with susanna moore in 
uk was connected with that.

As to special terms / neologisms - i find them a bit problematic in use -
apart from the more obvious examples - i would still use "he or she" 
rather than hir etc - which doesn't work for me.
Some of the nitpicking over terminology can sometimes inhibit genuine 
debate of issues that are tricky -
and may stop people expressing any reservations they may still have -
same with rascism, immigration etc perhaps its better to let people talk 
rather than branding them x as soon as they open their mouth?

So in paganism i suspect some pagans still find it problematic - having 
reclaiming the role of the priestess to then have it
occupied by someone who was not born a women etc.

People's understanding of the issue has obviously evolved - how
transexuals may also have been on a difficult struggle to find 
themselves and be at peace - i think our understanding of how tough it 
must be,
to be trapped in the wrong body .


India and other ancient cultures do indeed have examples of intermediate 
sex but this is often still a repressive tolerance - India,
as we know has serious problems vis a vis sexual politics - a sex change 
maybe give some sort of tolerance but normal gay life is still
criminalised in some states - and this seems to be getting worse -


senebty

Mogg Morgan
On 21/02/2014 22:17, M. S. Spencer wrote:
> Sorry Mogg, you are mistaken.
>
> Perhaps you are thinking of *Andrea Dworkin*  who only recently called for
> acceptance and inclusion of trans people.
>
> Here is a link detailing Greer's history. Even Caitlin Moran calls her out
> often for her ghastly transphobia.
>
> http://fightback.org.nz/2012/03/14/leaflet-germaine-greers-transphobia-a-ghastly-parody-of-womens-liberation/
>
> Greer has been vehementely opposed to respecting transgeder women (and
> men!) since those days. She was even protested when visiting New Zealand by
> a local queer advocacy group.
>
> Maddie
>
>

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