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Dear Katrina,
Black wool would be readily available, though. What is really though, is that in none of the existing icelandic medieval illustrations of bishops are they wearing copes!
Meg
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Hi Meg,
Iceland being Iceland, I can't help wondering whether 'svartr' might not just mean 'dark', as opposed to 'black', and there might be a simple explanation relating to the lack of (or the prohibitive cost of) dyestuffs?
All best wishes,
Katrina
> On 20 Jan 2014, at 17:09, "Cormack, Margaret Jean" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I have the uneasy feeling that I may already have asked this question in the distant past, but now have a bit more detail. Thanks to the many who responded to my earlier post about Augustinian dress, it appears that this explanation will not suffice for my purpose, namely the appearance, in visions, of saintly bishops wearing a black cope or cape (the Icelandic word can usually mean either, and is also used for a vestment worn in choir - there is a surviving very elegant embroidered example.). In the case of an Icelandic bishop who was formerly an augustinian canon, black would work if he borrowed his dress from England (it confuses matters that he may have been a Victorine!) but further investigation suggests that the emphasis should be rather on his status as bishop than his former status as a canon. In Icelandic visions, when saintly bishops appear in dreams they wear a black whatever-the-garment-is - my heading has "mantle" as an attempt to be neutral. This applies not just to the two Icelandic saint bishops (the former of whom had never been a monk or canon) but also to St. Blaise and St. Martin, who also appear in Icelandic visions. Can anyone suggest why this might be so? And can anyone who studies saintly bishops tell me what they look like when they appear in apparitions?
> Thanks in advance,
> Meg
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