Would Peter be willing to have them digitised and made publicaly available for research and teaching?
best, mm
On 29/01/2014, at 2:51 am, Paul Kerswill <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I have a cassette of Peter's 10 voices knocking around somewhere.
>
>
> On 28 January 2014 11:15, TRUDGILL Peter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> You can get similar – and very interesting – results, more easily, with many more accents, by using non-matched guise recordings.
>
> See my 1978 paper with Howard Giles: "Sociolinguistics and linguistic value judgements: correctness, adequacy and aesthetics" in F. Coppieters & D. Goyvaerts (eds.) Functional studies in language and literature. Ghent: Story-Scientia. 167-80, where we used 10 different British Isles speakers with 10 different accents.
>
> It's more readily accessible as Chapter 12 "Sociolinguistics and linguistic value judgements: correctness, adequacy and aesthetics" of my book "On dialect: social and geographical perspectives" Oxford: Blackwell, 201-225.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 28 Jan 2014, at 11:00, Dave Sayers wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback Paul! I just gave these recordings a road test with my second year sociolinguistic group. It was the first lecture so they hadn't met me and didn't twig it was all the same person :)
>>
>> My students are mostly from the Sheffield area, or further north, so MLE threw them a bit, but still the cockney/RP split produced the sorts of evaluations for education, trustworthiness etc. that you'd expect (I asked them to do ratings out of 10 -- very run-of-the-mill MGT stuff).
>>
>> I'd really love to improve these along the lines you suggest, but unfortunately I don't think I'll have time. Still, but let this be a clarion call for others to make their own! If anything, my failed search so far has demonstrated a real need for more of these.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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>> Dr. Dave Sayers
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>> Honorary Research Fellow, Arts & Humanities, Swansea University, UK
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>> On 27/01/2014 22:43, Paul Kerswill wrote:
>>> Pretty good effort Dave! The MLE is recognisable (that's an achievement!), but some
>>> details are wrong. GOOSE needs to be very front, START needs to be fully back. KIT is
>>> too raised. But you've got FLEECE, GOAT and FACE about right. MOUTH in MLE has a lot
>>> of variation, from the RP pronunciation you've got here, through an open central
>>> monophthong, to a fully back closing diphthong. LETTER tends to be low-back. STRUT is
>>> more than you've got it. And more glottal stops are needed. You've got a lack of
>>> linking/intrusive r, and the glottal onsets of syllable-initial vowels. Can you
>>> manage a slightly more staccato rhythm?
>>>
>>> What do others think?
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 January 2014 22:12, Dave Sayers <[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> As has now been kindly pointed out, in my addled tiredness I neglected to mention
>>> which accents I was plumping for in my recordings. (That is mentioned in the
>>> readme.txt file in the zip collection, but anyway...) It was RP, cockney, and an
>>> approximation of Multicultural London English -- see the readme.txt file for a
>>> mealy-mouthed excuse about the accuracy of the last one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Dave Sayers
>>> Senior Lecturer, Dept Humanities, Sheffield Hallam University, UK
>>> Honorary Research Fellow, Arts & Humanities, Swansea University, UK
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>>>
>>> On 27/01/2014 21:38, Dave Sayers wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok... nobody seems to have any matched guise recordings of British English
>>> dialects
>>> available. So I realised that, once again, I've gone and volunteered myself
>>> to make
>>> something. I spent the better part of today putting this together, and I'd
>>> like to
>>> thank Robert Lawson (Birmingham City University) for checking over some 'early
>>> drafts', as it were. Any remaining mistakes, as they say, are mine... all mine.
>>>
>>> I put all the audio files together in a zip file, in three different formats:
>>> MP3,
>>> OGG, and WAV. I wanted to upload the zip file to my academia.edu
>>> <http://academia.edu> page, but
>>> academia.edu <http://academia.edu> doesn't allow zip files, only Word
>>> documents and PDFs, so I resorted to
>>> a slightly ugly workaround: I just changed the '.zip' file extension to
>>> '.doc', which
>>> seemed to convince academia.edu <http://academia.edu> to let me upload it.
>>> So, when you download it, just
>>> change the '.doc' on the end back to '.zip' and then unzip it as normal.
>>>
>>> Without further ado then, here's my stab at a three-way matched guise test:
>>>
>>> https://swansea.academia.edu/__DaveSayers/Teaching-Documents
>>> <https://swansea.academia.edu/DaveSayers/Teaching-Documents>
>>>
>>> As the README.txt file in the zip says, feel free to use and distribute these
>>> with
>>> due credit. Hopefully they'll be of some use to folks.
>>>
>>> And if Rob and I were both wrong and my attempts were actually completely
>>> rubbish,
>>> then hopefully it'll at least spur someone to do a better job :)
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Dave Sayers
>>> Senior Lecturer, Dept Humanities, Sheffield Hallam University, UK
>>> Honorary Research Fellow, Arts & Humanities, Swansea University, UK
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/01/2014 11:22, Dave Sayers wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello assorted colleagues, peers, friends and strangers,
>>>
>>> I have a humble request. Does anyone have any matched guise recordings
>>> involving
>>> different British accents (ideally including RP)? I can track down a few
>>> American
>>> samples (and of course John Baugh's housing discrimination page is especially
>>> powerful: http://www.stanford.edu/~__jbaugh/baugh.fft
>>> <http://www.stanford.edu/~jbaugh/baugh.fft>), but I'm teaching in the UK, and
>>> I'm hoping to tap into students' intuitive understandings of accent
>>> inequality. Can
>>> anyone help?
>>>
>>> And, if you have samples which are cleared for public access, it would be
>>> really good
>>> if you could make them publicly accessible on e.g. Dropbox, Google Drive
>>> etc., then
>>> we can all share.
>>>
>>> To reduce email traffic, please send responses direct to me, then I can
>>> send a
>>> collated email to the group later.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Dave
>>>
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