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Re: Systems challenges

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Rose-Ann Movsovic <[log in to unmask]>

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Our LMS supplier, SirsiDynix, has devised an automated conversion to hybrid records for AACR records, including spelling out many abbreviations and adding 33X fields. Obviously it can't address the "rule of three" nor can it add relationship designators (in most cases). We are contemplating buying this service but not until we have got our heads around RDA sufficiently to assess all the options.



-----Original Message-----

From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Young, Thurstan

Sent: 13 January 2014 12:35

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Systems challenges



Hi John,



The benefit of 33X content to users will follow on from the accumulation of a significant amount of data. Our OPAC currently holds around 15 million bibliographic records from Aleph and another 40 million article records. Only around 250K of our bibliographic records on Aleph are currently RDA. Retrospective amendment of records created using other standards could upgrade them with RDA elements including the 33X. However, from a practical point of view much of this would have to rely on automated processes.   



Thurstan



-----Original Message-----

From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John McManus

Sent: 13 January 2014 11:59

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Systems challenges



Hi Thurston,



Interesting to hear you have created 3xx specific indexes. The new fields will as you suggest help and improve faceting searching at some point in the future, but given that RDA sees the abandonment of the GMD it is  odd that it's replacement is, for the moment, serving no practical purpose for many libraries. 



John





-----Original Message-----

From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Young, Thurstan

Sent: 13 January 2014 11:11

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Systems challenges



Hi John,



We're made no specific provision for displaying the 33X in terms of our OPAC, although they are visible in the MARC record view. We envisage that they will be used to support facet searching at a later date. We did, however, create 3XX specific indexes on our GUI.



Thurstan  



-----Original Message-----

From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John McManus

Sent: 13 January 2014 10:59

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Systems challenges



Hi Rosemary,



We also have encore and have suppressed the 33x fields - my understanding is that they are not meant for display. I'd be interested to hear from any libraries have actually used them to control the display of results in their catalogue. 



John





-----Original Message-----

From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rosemary Stenson

Sent: 13 January 2014 10:55

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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Systems challenges







-----Original Message-----

From: Rosemary Stenson

Sent: 13 January 2014 10:54

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Subject: RE: [CIG-E-FORUM] Systems challenges



Yes our load table seem to be working fine and are accepting all of the new RDA fields. The OPAC display labels are also appearing as we wish in both our classic catalogue and our discovery system (Encore). We have chosen not to display the new 3xx fields. However at the moment, for the sake of consistency, we are adding the GMD to the RDA records we accept, although both our classic catalogue and discovery systems use icons for material types.  These will be removed (or suppressed) once we implement RDA fully.



Rosemary



-----Original Message-----

From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Williams

Sent: 13 January 2014 10:26

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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Systems challenges



Thanks Celine

We are doing the same as you, and our discovery layer is taking the format information from Leader/006/007 as well. 



I'm interested in how people are managing the systems change, which has been mentioned by a few people.  Rosemary, you said that your set up was done in terms of your load tables and OPAC display.  Has that all been successful and are the RDA records you have from your ebooks suppliers displaying as you'd hope?  



Which LMS are you using Fiona - do you have any plans to set up your LMS to accept RDA fields?



We are a Voyager library, and RDA on what we call our 'Classic catalogue' (it's Web Voyage) is working fine, but our discovery layer, VuFind, is posing a few more challenges.   We've finally got the 264 working (though some copyright symbols are looking a bit peculiar!), and are still working on 1xx/7xx $e fields. 



Has anyone else been having any systems challenges?



Helen

-----Original Message-----

From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C.J. Carty

Sent: 13 January 2014 10:20

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Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum on adopting and working with RDA - welcome



That's interesting Kate, as we are a Voyager library but have not been adding GMD to RDA records. This doesn't seem to affect our searching, frontline staff have been quite happy and there has been no impact on users as far as we can tell. We use the Voyager OPAC (which we call our Newton catalogue) but do also have a discovery layer (Aquabrowser) which many users prefer to use and which does not use GMD at all but rather takes information about format from the Leader/006/007, etc.



Celine



On 2014-01-13 10:03, Kate Kluttz wrote:

> We're doing about the same as you with imported records. Our catalogue 

> will always be a mixture of RDA and pre-RDA, so AACR2 records will 

> continue to be acceptable.

> 

> I have to confess we're not doing "pure" RDA for certain things. We 

> still need the 245 $h GMD for ebooks and videorecordings, as our local 

> system (Voyager) really needs that in order for us to look at a search 

> results list either in the OPAC or the staff side and to easily pick 

> out alternative formats. This is useful for patrons and also to help 

> us choose the correct bib record to link to when placing orders. We're 

> possibly migrating to a new system over the next year or so and I'm 

> hoping our replacement will offer an improved display that will allow 

> us to go back and remove the GMDs we're currently polluting RDA 

> records with ;-)

> 

> Kate Kluttz

> 

> Acquisitions & Metadata Librarian

> 

> University of the Arts London Library Services

> 

> 020 7514 8586

> 

> [log in to unmask]

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> www.arts.ac.uk/library [1]

> 

>  [2] [3] [4] [5]

> 

> FROM: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] ON BEHALF OF 

> Helen Williams

>  SENT: 13 January 2014 09:59

>  TO: [log in to unmask]

>  SUBJECT: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum on adopting and working with 

> RDA - welcome

> 

> Thanks Katrina,

> 

> Yes, we are doing the same with imported records.

> 

> If there's an RDA record available, then we would chose that. If 

> there's no existing RDA record, but there is a good AACR2 record, then 

> we would import that as is instead. We would only upgrade an AACR2 

> record to RDA where it would have required substantial editing to make 

> it an acceptable AACR2 record anyway.

> 

> What are others doing about this?

> 

> Helen

> 

> FROM: Clifford, Katrina M [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

>  SENT: 13 January 2014 09:55

>  TO: Williams,HK; [log in to unmask]

>  SUBJECT: RE: CIG e-forum on adopting and working with RDA - welcome

> 

> Good morning everyone, Katrina Clifford from Kingston University (one 

> of the co-moderators). Looking forward to a full 2 days of discussion.

> 

> 

> We've moved mostly to RDA - we moved on 1st October last year. The 

> main exceptions we have are theses which are still AACR2 as they are 

> created through an export from our Research Repository and certain 

> books in the various Special Collections that are being done using 

> DCRM(B). We are though, accepting AACR2 records that are imported as

> AACR2 and not upgrading them

> 

> Katrina

> 

> Katrina Clifford

> 

>  Ext: 62118

>  [log in to unmask]

> 

> FROM: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] ON BEHALF OF 

> Helen Williams

>  SENT: 13 January 2014 09:45

>  TO: [log in to unmask]

>  SUBJECT: [CIG-E-FORUM] CIG e-forum on adopting and working with RDA - 

> welcome

> 

> Good morning and welcome to the CIG e-forum on adopting and working 

> with RDA. I'll be co-moderating along with Thurstan Young from the 

> British Library, and Katrina Clifford from Kingston University and 

> we'll be here between 10am and 4pm over the next couple of days. We're 

> delighted to have a number of people signed up to the e-forum and are 

> looking forward to sharing knowledge, experience and questions as we 

> consider the following topics:

> 

> Monday morning: Planning and preparation

> 

> Monday afternoon: Training

> 

> Tuesday morning: Policy

> 

> Tuesday afternoon: Productivity/workflows and summary.

> 

> This will help give some direction to our discussions but they aren't 

> set in stone, so don't feel you can't post something you wanted to 

> talk about if you are only around at a particular time of day. If 

> you're posting about something new, then please give your subject 

> header a relevant title so that those participating can keep track of 

> conversations more easily. We'll have a lunchbreak between 12.30 and 

> 2, but please feel free to keep posting over this time as well.

> 

> On a practical note it might be worth me mentioning at the start of 

> the day that messages sometimes take a little while to appear on 

> JISCmail lists, so if your message doesn't appear straight away then 

> please don't worry or re-send. We're not moderating the list, so it 

> will get through.

> 

> So, to kick us off for today, please feel free to introduce yourselves 

> to the list and let us know where you are up to with your RDA 

> implementation or plans. Have you moved to RDA yet, and if so, when?

> If not, do you have a date in mind when you are planning to move to 

> RDA? And are there people who aren't planning to move to RDA at all?

> 

> Helen

> 

> HELEN WILLIAMS

> 

> ASSISTANT LIBRARIAN, BIBLIOGRAPHIC SERVICES

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> LSE Library Services

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