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Re: Query on extent of eduPerson implementations in Directories

From:

Alistair Young <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Discussion list for Shibboleth developments <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:44:33 +0000

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Ill match your LDAP grump Andy and raise you an NDAP!

Alistair

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On 11/12/2013 09:09, "Andy Swiffin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Sorry, but I have to fervently disagree with this and reiterate what  I
>originally said. Personally I think you'd  be mad to extend your schema
>with eduperson, particularly AD where it seems more frowned upon than
>other directories such as Novell edirectory.   All you're doing is moving
>the problem around, instead of using a scripting language in somewhere
>which is designed to manipulate attributes you're going to have to invent
>a mechanism to do that in whatever your flavour of x500 is.   And thereby
>create a tautology which will inevitably get broken at some point, where
>you have to take user attributes in some sensible local format and
>replicate them into another attribute on the user.
>
>And while I'm in grumpy old man mode,  I do hate it when people talk
>about LDAP directories.  LDAP is a protocol (the clue is in the name) for
>accessing X500 directories not a type of directory itself.   I know this
>is a battle I lost years ago but every now and then I wake up from my
>slumbers and have a grumble.
>
>Anyone for a DAP session?
>
>Yours
>Disgruntled of Dundee
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [mailto:JISC-
>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sara Hopkins
>> Sent: 10 December 2013 18:41
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Query on extent of eduPerson implementations in Directories
>>
>> Sorry to come in so late here with my tuppence.
>>
>> eduPerson is originally an LDAP schema.
>>
>> I would have thought that it's well worth populating LDAPs directly with
>> eduPerson attributes. It certainly would save us a lot of work in the
>> federation support team, explaining to people how to write scripts to
>> shoehorn yet another slightly different attribute into eduPerson.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> On 25/11/2013 10:15, Alistair Young wrote:
>> > I have to agree with Andy on this. I can't see any point in 'domain
>> > creep', where Shibboleth enters your AD infrastructure. IdPs are
>> > clever enough to map institutional data to external facing formats
>> > such as eduperson. We occasionally need to use non eduperson
>> > attributes and the IdP just does it, based on data in AD.
>> >
>> > tuppence dispensed, now skint.
>> >
>> > Alistair
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> > Alistair Young
>> > Senior Software Engineer
>> > UHI@Sabhal Mr Ostaig
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Andy Swiffin <[log in to unmask]
>> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> > Reply-To: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments
>> > <[log in to unmask]
>> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> > Date: Monday, 25 November 2013 09:51
>> > To: "[log in to unmask]
>> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
>> > <[log in to unmask]
>> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> > Subject: Re: Query on extent of eduPerson implementations in
>> > Directories
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I believe a few people did this, i.e. extended their schema, but I
>> > never really understood why you would want to do that.
>> >
>> > The information which is used in the released eduperson attributes is
>> > there in our directory in other forms and it's a fairly simple matter
>> > in attribute-resolver.xml to manipulate those into the form needed,
>> > for instance to create the staff/ student values for
>> > edupersonscopedaffiliation.   It would be a tautology to create
>>another
>> > attribute in the directory and go to all the trouble of populating it.
>> >
>> > EduPersonEntitlement values are usually kept in the form of group
>> > memberships which we can make easily manageable by, for example,
>> >   library staff, without them having to manipulate some very queer
>> > value,  and again the resolver can easily contain a scriptlet to test
>> > for group membership and set the required value to be released in ePE.
>> >
>> > My tuppence.
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > Dundee
>> >
>> > *From:*Discussion list for Shibboleth developments
>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Karen Murphy
>> > *Sent:* 25 November 2013 08:42
>> > *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > *Subject:* Query on extent of eduPerson implementations in Directories
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I hope this is the right forum for my question.  I emailed Angel (LSE
>> > project -
>> >
>> > [log in to unmask]  <mailto:[log in to unmask]>) but my email bounced, so
>>I
>> guess it is no longer active.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I administer Shibboleth IdPs and SPs at Queen's Universities (Library)
>> > and we are
>> >
>> > trying to present the case for enriching attributes within our
>> > directories with a
>> >
>> > view to implementing eduPerson.
>> >
>> > We are interested to know if many institutions  have implemented
>> > eduPerson schema
>> >
>> > extensions in Active Directory (as opposed to mapping arbitrary values
>> > within the
>> >
>> > directories to eduPerson attributes).  I'm thinking of the methods
>> > described here
>> >
>> > at the Angel project site (section 2):
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.angel.ac.uk/SECURe/deliverables/documentation/adconfig.htm
>> l
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Queen's are currently considering their options around eduPerson
>> > schema and Active
>> >
>> > Directory in the medium to longer term.  Any information on the extent
>> > to which other
>> >
>> > institutions have implemented this in production systems would be very
>> useful.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks and Regards
>> >
>> > Karen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Karen Murphy
>> >
>> > Systems Analyst - Bibliographic Services
>> >
>> > The Library at Queen's
>> >
>> > Queen's University Belfast
>> >
>> > Belfast BT7 1LP
>> >
>> > Tel: 028 90976260
>> >
>> > Email:[log in to unmask]  <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >
>> > The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No:
>> > SC015096
>>
>> --
>> Sara Hopkins
>> Support Team
>> UK Access Management Federation for Education and Research
>> web:    http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/
>>
>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
>>Scotland, with
>> registration number SC005336.
>
>The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No: SC015096

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