So Oliver,
Does this mean you offer to help build an archive of mail archives etc? Maybe also arrange a space for it?
There are more people like Simon. Not all of them are on this list.
best,
J
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On 4 okt. 2013, at 16:01, Oliver Grau wrote:
> Dear Simon,
>
> this sounds like a remarkable source! May we ask if you can leave a copy
> for the Archive of Digital Art (ADA) ?
>
>
> Many regards,
>
>
> Oliver
>
>
>>>> Simon Biggs <[log in to unmask]> 04.10.13 13.59 Uhr >>>
> I have Rhizome posts going back to April 6, 1996 and Raw to October 3,
> 1999. Other lists I have posts for from the 1990's include A-Life,
> artnetweb, ASCII, Avatars, Consciousness Reframed, CU-SeeMe, DigiDance,
> DXR, Fine Art Forum, Infowar, ISEA-Forum, NetArtTrade, Nettime, Shock of
> the View, Thingist, Voti (which has a new book out documenting that
> discussion) and WebWalker. These are far from complete records, some are
> quite patchy - most are from extinct mail clients but I have simple text
> files of the posts. I'm happy to put them into a repository of some kind
> (doubt I want to go back through them though).
>
> best
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33, Josephine Bosma <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Wow. That is amazing. I hope my English and my work have improved a
> bit over time.
>>
>> This gives me an idea though. My own archive of 7-11 has vanished, as
> do my other mail archives of that time. Mez reminds me however that
> there are people who still have theirs.
>>
>> Would it be something to initiate a project, on online archive of
> mailing list archives? I for one really miss the early years of the
> Rhizome archives, from before it was called 'raw' (1997-2001). In fact,
> all of the Rhizome mailing list archives seem to have disappeared from
> their website. People who have (parts of) these could maybe be persuaded
> to share them.
>>
>> It would be great if this would also include earlier art 'lists' or
> mailboxes, including those on the early net and in BBS times. In Tilman
> Baumgärtel's first book on net.art is an interview with Rena Tangens and
> Padeluun, for example. They ran a 'mailbox' named 'Bionic'. It would
> also be great to have the Artex 'list' content in there, run by Robert
> Adrian.
>>
>> http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/works/artex/
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>> J
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 okt. 2013, at 12:49, mez breeze wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Charlotte Frost
> <[log in to unmask]
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is this post one of the most iconic pieces of net art history?
>>>> http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9703/msg00094.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about:
>>>
>>> From: "Vuk Cosic" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Organization: KUD France Preseren
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:12:23 CET
>>> Subject: Re: [7-11] backbone
>>> Sender: [log in to unmask]
>>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> ho
>>>> whats a net.art backbone?
>>> good one,
>>> i suppose it's a providers idea of 7-11
>>> sorta
>>>
>>> v
>>>
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>>> # #
>>> #1.7.100(today="7-11.00 071101010 07110101 0711.00100#
>>> ########### http://www.ljudmila.org/7-11/ ############
>>>
>>>
>>> and:
>>>
>>> X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:14:01 -0700
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> From: nov 97 <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: [7-11] net art homework
>>> Sender: [log in to unmask]
>>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> http://jupiter.ucsd.edu/~bookchin/finalProject.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> \/ /_/ |_|_| \/ /_/ |_|_| # > # # > # # > #1.7.100(today="7-11.00 > #
> \ /
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> # >
>>>>> Thank you for participating in 7-11 MAILING LIST > SUBSCRIBER
>>> SATISFACTION SURVEY. > > > > >
>>> ###################################################### >
>>> #1.7.100(today="7-11.00 071101010 07110101 0711.00100# > # # > #
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>>> 071101010 07110101 0711.00100# > ###########
> http://www.ljudmila.org/7-11/
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>>>> -
>>>
>>> [that link waybackmachined:
>>>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070206180348/http://jupiter.ucsd.edu/~bookchin/finalProject.html
>>> ]
>>>
>>> Also:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:42:36 +0100
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [7-11] Majordomo results: A word from the hostess.
>>> Sender: [log in to unmask]
>>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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> # >
>>>>> Thank you for participating in 7-11 MAILING LIST > SUBSCRIBER
>>> SATISFACTION SURVEY. > > > > >
>>> ###################################################### >
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> _____ _ _
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>>> 071101010 07110101 0711.00100# > ###########
> http://www.ljudmila.org/7-11/
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>>> # #>> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:59:39 -0800 (PST)
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> From: [log in to unmask] (Natalie Bookchin)
>>> Subject: Re: [7-11] A word from the hostess.
>>> Sender: [log in to unmask]
>>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Interview
>>> Natalie: Do you want to know why there is no net art in california?
>>>
>>> Natalie: Um.. there isn't? Yes do tell me why?
>>>
>>> Natalie: I think its because we dont have time to waste on things
> that we
>>> cant hang in our beach condos.
>>>
>>> Natalie And of course we're also buzy walking on the beach, looking
> at the
>>> ocean, napping under the palm trees, eating the best of pacific rim
> cooking
>>>
>>> Natalie: also we dont have the net yet hooked up in our cars yet
>>>
>>> Natalie: thats not true
>>>
>>> Natalie: yes it is.
>>>
>>>
>>> _________ _________
>>> | _____ | | _____ |
>>> | [_____] | | [_____] |
>>> | | | |
>>> | |========================| |
>>> | | [][][][][]| |
>>> | __ |_____________ [][][][][]| __ |
>>> | (__) | FM 7-11 ****| ========| (__) |
>>> | _____ |_____________| **VOL{} | _____ |
>>> | / \ | | / \ |
>>> || ( ) ||________________________|| ( ) ||
>>> | \_____/ | CD | TAPE | TAPE | AUX | \_____/ |
>>> |_________|____|___1__|___2__|_____|_________|
>>>
>>> LET'S CRANK THE SOUND WAY UP
>>> LET'S DANCE AROUND THE GLOBE
>>> NO ONE STOP UNTIL WE ALL DROP
>>>
>>> [+ Make no mistake, "net.art" as a discussion topic has been
> oscillating
>>> constantly since 97]:
>>>
>>> From: dd <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>,
>>> "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: RE: [7-11] the meaning of the inner circle
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:51:19 +0200
>>> X-Ms-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00
>>> Sender: [log in to unmask]
>>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Essential to art is the work of art.
>>> Essential to work of art are the spectators and the artist.
>>> Essential to both is what could be art produced by works today.
>>>
>>> The form of every artwork could not full of meaning, but full of new
>>> artistic and dynamic values.
>>>
>>> We can still talk/meet where it is possible to make an effort for
> another
>>> work.
>>> where, spectators and artists are the essential faces who charges a
> living
>>> form. The more dispersed of the circle of both, generates the more
> concrete
>>> of the form, in its classical fond.
>>>
>>> Net by itself is not enough, it needs the art form, generated by what
> could
>>> be the work.
>>> The materials for the work could be everything. The form's life
> between
>>> people, generates the materials, not the opposite.
>>>
>>>
>>> the inner circle is an interesting phenomenon
>>> I have been contemplating on its meaning
>>> just today I found in some old nettime posting
>>> a possible insight into what meaning is in general
>>> which seems very useful for the question:
>>> what is the meaning of an inner circle?
>>>
>>> "The line of the argument, as it
>>> was developed by Ernesto Laclau, goes as follows: He starts from the
>>> Saussurian assumption that meaning arises only within a system of
>>> differences. The possibility of a system of differences, however,
> depends
>>> on the possibility of its limits - and these limits cannot belong to
> the
>>> side of the system, since in that case the limit was just another
>>> difference and, hence, no limit. It is only as far as we perceive the
>>> outside of the system as a radical outside (and the limit therefore
> as an
>>> exclusionary limit) that we can speak of systematicity or meaning at
> all.
>>> As a consequence the limits cannot be signified themselves, they can
> only
>>> 'show themselves as the interruption or breakdown of the process of
>>> signification' (Laclau 1996:37). The radicality of the radical
> outside
>>> (non-meaning) is not only the condition of possibility for the
>>>> of impossibility of the establishment of a structure as closed
> totality
>>> (full meaning). The effect of the exclusionary limit, in other words,
> 'is
>>> that it introduces an essential ambivalence within the system of
>>> differences constituted by those limits' (Laclau 1996:38)."
>>>
>>> What is essential to net.art?
>>> Where can we still talk/meet and where not?
>>> Who decides on what thinking who to prank?
>>> Are pranked inner circle?
>>>
>>>
>>> happy days
>>>
>>>
>>> J
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> | facebook.com/MezBreezeDesign
> <http://www.facebook.com/MezBreezeDesign>
>>> | twitter.com/MezBreezeDesign
>>> | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mez_Breeze
>>
>
>
> Simon Biggs
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.littlepig.org.uk @SimonBiggsUK
> http://amazon.com/author/simonbiggs
>
> [log in to unmask] Edinburgh College of Art, University of Edinburgh
> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/edinburgh-college-art/school-of-art/staff/staff?person_id=182&cw_xml=profile.php
> http://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/en/persons/simon-biggs%285dfcaf34-56b1-4452-9100-aaab96935e31%29.html
>
> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.elmcip.net/
> http://www.movingtargets.org.uk/ http://designinaction.com/
> MSc by Research in Interdisciplinary Creative Practices
> http://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/postgraduate/degrees?id=656&cw_xml=details.php
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