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Re: Mapinfo question

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Crispin Flower <[log in to unmask]>

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Issues related to Historic Environment Records <[log in to unmask]>

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Hi Helen
After a quick skim of that doc, which I'd not read for ages, I think this is absolutely crying out for a SHINE-like approach, rather than you having to invent some new kind of wheel thing. The statutory designated datasets should be coming in through one pipeline, and integrated with fit-for-purpose data derived from (and curated by) the HERs (including Local List and Conservation Areas and any other local designations). There should be common structure and standards applied across the country, and a single national point of access to the result, as well as simple web service feeds and downloads for incorporation into local planning and land management systems.  Somewhat like SHINE in principle, but a different business purpose, so a different set of rules and a different resulting dataset.
 
If you need to do it yourselves, I don't agree with the recommended data structures by the way - a mish-mash IMO - though there is some very sensible stuff in the document.  But of course happy to help you implement it if that's the way life has to be!  We can help with a script to assign UIDs into a MapInfo table, for example - contact us off-list.
 
Incidentally, "hotlink" behaviour is determined by the application you are working in, not the data itself, which simply needs to contain the raw data needed to construct the URL. This may be the full URL, or simply the identifiers needing to be appended to a base URL (which ArcGIS can do, for example). So you don't need to worry about conversion to shapefile in this respect.
 
all the best
Crispin

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records on behalf of Helen Wells (Archaeology)
Sent: Fri 23/08/2013 11:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Mapinfo question



Hello again,

Yes, the HER 21 project:

http://www.helm.org.uk/content/docs/HER21_Alerts_and_Constraints_Maps.pdf

The idea is that the layers will be used by the districts/boroughs to help validate planning apps.

I have taken all the constraints (Scheduled Monuments etc) and intend to make one layer of those, and all the alerts (Registered Parks & Gardens, our 'historic cores' archaeology layer, etc) and intend to make one  layer of those.  Where I could I downloaded data straight from the EH source to make sure it's up to date, though that does mean I have those odd triangle polygons for my listed buildings!

I've tweaked the metadata in the guidance slightly I think but I have the following attributes:

Constraints attributes:

C_UID
Con_type
Descriptor
Action
NHL_NO
CAPTURE_SC
X
Y
WebURL
LastEdit

Alert attributes:

A_UID
Alert_type
Descriptor
Action
HER_ID
NHL_NO
CAPTURE_SC
X
Y
WebURL
LastEdit

I think I may make the UIDs by adding a prefix to data in another column (like the National Heritage List no.).  That should make something that's simple to concord with future versions of the layers...

The next problem is probably what happens to my beautiful layers with hotlinks when I turn them into shapefiles!

I may add an expiry date as well just to make sure districts/boroughs aren't using out of date stuff...

Bit of a complicated one for a Friday question, I guess it's not the afternoon yet!


Helen Wells
Historic Environment Record Officer
Leicestershire County Council
Planning, Historic & Natural Environment, Leicestershire County Council, County Hall, Glenfield, Leics, LE3 8RA
Telephone: 0116 3058323 / E-mail: [log in to unmask]




-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crispin Flower
Sent: 23 August 2013 11:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Mapinfo question

Hi Helen
"the guidance"? Is this the HER21 project? Can you point me at it?
If you are creating some kind of alert layer for the HER, then why not manage it in your HBSMR Designation module? This can be used for any kind of area designation, not just statutory ones, and there's great flexibility in the data structure with many user-defined fields. And if you do this, then of course your records will be automatically assigned identifiers in the manner you suggest. Happy to help configure this if you want, and if everyone is doing this, there should be a standard configuration.
Apologies if I have misunderstood!
Crispin


________________________________

From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records on behalf of Helen Wells (Archaeology)
Sent: Fri 23/08/2013 10:45
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Mapinfo question


Hello everyone,

We have been working on constraint/alert layers as per the guidance and I'm trying to fill in all the metadata required.  The only column I have left is my unique identifier column.  I'm not sure what to do to fill this with numbers, and I'm also not sure how best to do it so that when I re-make the layers in the future the features will have the same UIDs.  I guess it would require joining the old table with UIDs to the new table.  Anyway, really I'd like the UID column to have some sort of prefix+number.  Any clever people able to give me a hand?

Thanks,

Helen Wells
Historic Environment Record Officer
Leicestershire County Council
Planning, Historic & Natural Environment, Leicestershire County Council, County Hall, Glenfield, Leics, LE3 8RA
Telephone: 0116 3058323 / E-mail: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 




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