Ok, Stepen no more arguing from me either even though you have not
provided one real world example of the legal challenges, poisoning,
flooding, book-storing or even salting of a CC-BY text as opposed to a
CC-NC text.
The facts: 1. CC-BY content can be put in a closed repository or classroom
2. CC-NC content can also be put in a closed repository or classrooom
So the "closure" argument is not one against CC-BY.
So the reason that someone would use the NC restriction is because
they don't want anyone other than themselves to commercialize it. So who
doesn't want others to commercialize their work? How about commercial
companies that wish to release info but don't want other companies to
profit from it. Some of these CC-NC restriction supporters, while
pretending to be open can be guilty of legal challenges, poisoning,
flooding, book-storing and salting CC-BY texts.
The one thing they cannot do is stop others from using CC-BY content.
I think you'll find that for pretty much every public domain work other
than the few painstakingly gathered in Gutenberg the argument I offer
stands up pretty well.
Actually, if you don't want companies to use a work the CC-SA
restriction would be quite a deterrent.
Stephen says:
"I think you'll find that for pretty much every public domain work other
than the few painstakingly gathered in Gutenberg the argument I offer
stands up pretty well."
Actually this is an argument supporting commercialization. If a work is
so unknown or so unwanted that no one is willing to copy it for
Gutenberg or other open site, then practically, the only way it can see
the light of day is if someone copies it to make a profit. This is the
market working at its best. If the work is not available anywhere, it's
gone. If it is only available in physical libraries only a few can
benefit. If it becomes available online you can pay for it and if its
valuable you can release it to the world. You have as much right to it
as the publisher.
I think you'll find that for pretty much every public domain work other
than the few painstakingly gathered in Gutenberg the argument I offer
stands up pretty well.
It's been fun!
All the best.
Rory
Rory McGreal
UNESCO/COL Chair in OER
Athabasca University
On 2013-06-12 10:24 AM, Stephen Downes wrote:
>
> OK, that's it, I'm done. No more arguing from me on this. If you
> continue to support the "everyone must support CC-by" position, I will
> simply regard you as being against free and open access to learning
> and learning resources, and working instead for people trying to
> privatize the education system, puting your own narrow self-interest
> ahead of wider social values (putting you in my mind on par with banks
> and the oil industry).
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