Hi,
I'd vote for this as well - I think it's only worth doing much on puppet
if we can actually have a good discussion about what modules people have
and are using/want to use so we can identify overlap. I'm not sure a
short session where a few people say what puppet is and why they're
using it without specifics and discussion will help much....
That being said though, I'm not the one doing the agenda and a post-emi
discussion certainly has it's relevance :)
Thanks,
Mark
On 16/05/13 13:11, Alessandra Forti wrote:
> On 16/05/2013 13:03, Kashif Mohammad wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I agree with Mark that we should discuss pros and cons of different
>> puppet implementation before moving whole site to Puppet. HepSysMan
>> seems to be natural place for this kind of discussion but
>> unfortunately time for puppet session is quite short in next
>> HepSysMan meeting. Is there any chance of extending puppet session in
>> HepSysMan ?
> I agree. I think we should drop the post-emi discussion where we have
> ver little say and use the time to discuss puppet.
>
> cheers
> alessandra
>> Personally I think that if the sites which have already implemented
>> puppet can present 2-3 slides about their Puppet implementation and
>> issues with their approach.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kashif
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Slater
>> Sent: 16 May 2013 12:48
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: puppet and hiera/templates
>>
>> Hi Alessandra,
>>
>> This is a fair point - I thought about this myself but came to the
>> conclusion that even if noone else uses the modules, if there's more
>> flexibility built in from the off then that helps me in the future
>> if/when software changes, etc. Having said that, this is part of the
>> reason why I haven't gone 'all the way' with heira, etc. and just used
>> templates as these are easy to do (just template each config file so you
>> can add stuff later).
>>
>> On the wider issue of general use of group provided modules, is it worth
>> having a dedicated meeting of interested parties at all? I have looked
>> at the CERN ones but they seem a little like overkill for most things I
>> need them for and still a bit CERN centric (though that may just be me
>> not giving them a chance!). Maybe just an informal meeting where each
>> site/user gives an overview of what modules they use/can provide might
>> reduce duplication of work...?
>>
>> Just my 2 cents :)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 16/05/13 12:34, Alessandra Forti wrote:
>>> Here is the dilemma... we are discussing the structure of our own
>>> repository and there are of course different ways of doing things. One
>>> of these is to avoid site related values in the modules directory in
>>> order to simplify sharing them with other sites. So the real question
>>> here is how many sites would benefit from this? Because if we are
>>> adopting a more complicated way and then nobody is using it is just a
>>> wast of time.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> alessandra
>>>
>>> On 16/05/2013 12:27, Christopher J. Walker wrote:
>>>> On 16/05/13 11:56, Mark Slater wrote:
>>>>> Hi Alessandra,
>>>>>
>>>>> In my puppet scripts I use templates extensively. I haven't gone to
>>>>> hiera yet but I am thinking about it...
>>>>>
>>>> The CERN templates do.
>>>>
>>>> Ben Jones gave a talk at Hepix on what they've done and he's leading a
>>>> puppet taskforce I think.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/05/13 11:51, Alessandra Forti wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how many people are using hiera/templates mechanism in puppet to
>>>>>> contain site related values?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>> alessandra
>>>>>>
>>>
>
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