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the large structure now in the pdb

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Kim Henrick <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 29 May 2013 19:15:25 +0100

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I am surprised that the fuss about the structure 3J3Q

the pdb documentation states
"For all structures deposited as complex assemblies, we will archive
 symmetry information as appropriate in _pdbx_point_symmetry or
 _pdbx_helical_symmetry records."

For the cone shaped viral capsid discussed in 1999:
 Assembly and Analysis of Conical Models for the HIV-1 Core
 Science 1 January 1999: Vol. 283 no. 5398 pp. 80-83
 DOI: 10.1126/science.283.5398.80
 Barbie K. Ganser, Su Li, Victor Y. Klishko, John T. Finch, Wesley I.
 Sundquist

and the symmetry properties explained in

 Elasticity Theory and Shape Transitions of Viral Shells
 T. T. Nguyen, R. F. Bruinsma, W. M. Gelbart
 Phys. Rev. E 72, 051923 (2005)
 DOI:10.1103/PhysRevE.72.051923
 this paper describes the cone shape and the symmetry, i.e.
"In contrast, an example where continuum theory really is expected to
 be applicable are core particles of the HIV-1 virus. The immature HIV
 capsid is spherical, though not icosahedral, with diameters in the
 range of 120 to 260 nm39. After cleavage of the Gag capsid protein
 into CA ("capsid") and NC ("nucleocapsid") proteins – plus a matrix
 protein – the core reforms into a conical shell with a size of about
 100 nm (majority case) plus a smaller fraction of tubular particles.
 The FvK number of the (mature) cone is of the order of 20,000, well
 above the buckling threshold. According to our results, conical
 capsids with FvK numbers in this range do constitute a well-defined
 local minimum of the elastic energy with m/n ratios between 1.5 and 2
 and spontaneous curvatures about twice the critical value (see
 Fig.15)."

These 2 papers on symmetry of cones must be known to all concerned
isnt it possible to use this symmetry as NCS in the structure just
released that causes the fuss about large structures?

Simply cat the split*.pdb and rasmol clearly shows the symmetry of the
cone from the apex radiating out and recombining back to the other
end, of note is that rasmol colours chains at a TER record and the
colours are based on the order in the file so the split of this
molecule is very random.

Surely the authors and the PDB staff should have known about the
symmetry description  or is everyone
stuck on the idea of Viral Capsid T-numbers which only cover basically
spherical shapes? At the resolution (actually not stated on the EMDB page)
http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe/entry/EMD-5639/visualization
and using the volume viewer, it is unlikely that the authors could
have built the chains without the use of the cone symmetry and
at the map details shown there could not be any detectable break in the
use of symmetry. (The title page figure shown is
  "simulated density of all-atom HIV-1 capsid model (3J3Y)
   overlaid with a slice of HIV-1 core tomogram." so appears
   not an experimental observation.


Actually just what is the difference between 3j3q and 3j3y
as there is no obvious difference on display and the mmcif titles
are no help.

_struct.entry_id 3J3Y
_struct.title    'Atomic-level structure of the entire HIV-1 capsid (186
hexamers
                  + 12 pentamers)'
_struct.entry_id 3J3Q
_struct.title    'Atomic-level structure of the entire HIV-1 capsid'

And why is what was a part of the old pqs o/p for a virus showing
the 5fold and the 23fold being issued as yet another PDB idcode
as PDB  3J34     unspecified 'Hexameric unit obtained by MDFF and cryo-EM'
- which shows a core fragment, is this a theoretical model ?

The structure would have made less fuss if issued with BIOMOLECULE
matrices and been generated in full by software.

If the author can over ride PDB stated processing policy then what is
the use of the documentation? under
"Processing Procedures Version 2.6 as of December 2012"
on  http://www.wwpdb.org/docs.html#format
as it is obviously not in use.

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