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On-Line teaching participants - was Re: [data-protection] Recording of lessons

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Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

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Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:15:05 +0100

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Whilst the difficulties are noticeable within on-line forums of all 
types in  maintaining the focus/purpose, (my interpretation of your 
different intentions comment) it has seemed to me that the majority of 
people do try to maintain focus. It appears rather that any 
diluting/distracting comments more often come out of factors perceived 
to have an influence upon the subject under discussion/being taught 
which can cause other threads of discussion if sufficient rigor of 
understanding is not maintained by everybody involved. The use of those 
more diverse factors seems to assist in understanding but equally may 
frequently be seen as diverting from the original objective rather than 
building upon a broader understanding of the actual subject. This seems 
especially so when a sufficiently close link is not made or immediately 
visible to everybody involved and during more protracted discussions. 
These factors have never been restricted to, or arisen from, the on-
line environment though as they did exist before.

Strict adherence to 
any subject, such as the DPA, whilst undoubtedly resulting in a fuller 
technical understanding of the law covering that area  may result in a 
less rounded view of the emotional content data subjects themselves 
apply to their data.  Google’s defensive attitude seems to me to 
largely follow a strict adherence principle (their principles) creating 
frequent clashes within peoples emotions and becoming unacceptable, but 
as emotions are rarely legally recognized Google are in a stronger 
legal position even though moral and political difficulties from their 
global business presence become excruciatingly visible. Exactly the 
same difficulties arise out of many DPA decisions.

Are those 
difficulties caused solely by considerations of 
organisational/commercial imperatives, or something different? If so 
what?

Ian


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AC.UK] On Behalf Of Brunella Longo
Sent: 24 April 2013 14:01
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Recording of 
lessons

Ages ago, I allowed for a participant 'observer' to join 
interactive webinars and online forums,  with the agreement that no 
recording would be taken, for a simalr purpose (assessment of 
methodologies by an institution).  This purpose was clearly 
communicated to other attendees and it was not considered  particularly 
intrusive also because the observer  took an active role  (so that the 
behaviour was absolutely transparent). 

I regret that decision because 
the idea was very rapidly copied by others who had similar formal 
authority and obvious legitimate possibility to join the classes, but 
very different intentions. I think I might have written about these 
problems (as early examples of unregulated and disruptive unfair 
competition within online environments not so far from other cyber 
criminal  behaviours after all) in a paper ('The Missing Business Case: 
Rise and Fall of an Information Literacy Training Programme', self 
archived at http://ssrn.com/abstract=2186911carefully censored from 
the Library Trends special issue for which it had been agreed and not 
even indexed by Google apparently). 

Unfortunately,  respect for any  
agreement you make within online environments where people work and 
communicate remotely  cannot be really controlled / enforced at 
present.  

Technologies of collaboration or e-learning platforms do 
not  give you any guarantee so far that  somebody does not exploit the 
medium  beyond your direct or indirect surveillance, spying or simple 
aggressive lurking and futile video recording mania. 

So the 
conclusion is, from a legal point of view and DP implications, that 
even when you are not 'neutral', because you are supervising or 
delivering online lessons (and that is the core of the service you have 
agreed to provide to customers), your actual possibilities to be really 
in control of the way in which the content and the interactions are 
used  are very limited. Therefore  neutrality seems to be not an option 
but a starting point for the regulators as well as for other actors.  


I interpreted (and found accettable only because of such reasoning) in 
this direction  the recent decision of the high court in Italy to free 
Google directors accused to allow sharing of videos insulting a down 
syndrom individual - although it was evident that they were perfectly 
aware of what they themselves were publishing at the time. But accusing 
them of intentional exploiting conduct aimed at rising click through 
and audience shares would constitute an unbearable precedent. 


Brunella Longo
Information Management Adviser  
http://www.brunellalongo.co.uk

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