And as far as that goes, here's a lot of ekphrasis in David Jones.
Jenna Butler & I had a bit of a discussion about this recently at canadian poetries:
http://www.canadianpoetries.com/conversations/barbourbutler
So, I too will be interested, Bob.
Doug
On 2013-03-23, at 5:29 PM, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> It was a matter of distribution - I certainly knew about a lot of the
> figures of the British avant by 1974 - Roy Fisher, Bob Cobbing, Raworth,
> Bunting, MacSweeney, WS Graham (I can remember a recording of David Jones
> being broadcast while he was still alive - though by then in a nursing
> home) though I never heard anything about Prynne and the Cambridge crowd
> then. But not Ashbery and the New York poets (Beats, yes, confessionals,
> yes, Bly and Wright, yes)
>
> On 23 March 2013 23:20, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> That's ok, Sheila. I remember that time very, very distinctly. Though
>> Ashbery's poems were then unknown to me. And for Bob: the Auden was from
>> about December 1938, shortly before Auden left for the USA. The Wiiliams
>> poem first appeared in the Hudson review in 1960.
>>
>> db
>>
>>
>> On 23 March 2013 20:02, Sheila Murphy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember the poetry issue - but misrecall just exactly when (I remember
>>> where I was, though) :)
>>>
>>> And then the book!
>>>
>>> Thanks DB
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM, David Bircumshaw <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> The Ashbery piece was first published in the August 1974 issue of
>>> 'Poetry'
>>>> and written sometime 73/74. It always makes me feel a kind of Vietnam
>>> just
>>>> over but Nixon still in power sensation so I suspect more 73 than 74. As
>>>> for telling 'them' about ekphrastic poetry, please consider the
>>>> consequences of its further propagation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>>
>>>> db
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 March 2013 17:29, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Sheila, but
>>>>> you're WAY too late!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Robbot
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Murphy
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:58 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>
>>>>> Self Portrait ought to be about 1975 or 6.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, bob grumman <
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> **
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just read the Middleton piece--good reading. I only mention the
>>> poems
>>>>>> in my piece, don't discuss them, so didn't need more data--but glad
>>> you
>>>>>> sent me to Middleton!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all best, Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Hondros
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:15 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Musée des Beaux Arts' was published in 1938, although the collection
>>>>>> escapes me. 'Landscape with the Fall of Icarus' was in *Pictures From
>>>>>> Brueghel*, 1962. Not sure about Self-Portrait, but Ashbery is on my
>>>> 'must
>>>>>> know everything about' list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may also find this relevant, a post that was on the *Southerly*
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> by Australian poet Kate Middleton:
>>>>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.****au/2012/03/30/icarus-**
>>>>>> downstage-right-writing-art/<h**ttp://southerlyjournal.com.au/**
>>>>>> 2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-**right-writing-art/<
>>>>
>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.au/2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-right-writing-art/
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy ekphrasis!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/03/2013, at 11:55 PM, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The poems are the two by Auden and Williams about the fall of Icarus
>>>>>> and Ashbery's "Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror." I'm writing about
>>>>>> ekphrastic poetry for my next Scientific American blog entry. I’ve
>>> been
>>>>>> searching the net for a while but no dates are showing up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for any help, Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chris Jones
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:23 AM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: topology math
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this on topology and one dimensional topology and also which
>>> explains
>>>>>> how one dimension can appear as 3 dimensions may be useful to others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Topology<
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Topology>
>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Topology<
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topology>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/****pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=****1#fn1
>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=**1#fn1>
>>>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.**nih.gov/pmc/articles/**PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1
>>> <
>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and breaking classical law...
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>> **<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> BLOG http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.****com.au/<http://abdevpoetics.**
>>>>>> blogspot.com.au/ <http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com.au/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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