Sandwell ED West Bromwich
Russells Hall ED Dudley
New Cross ED Wolverhampton
University Hospital Birmingham ED
Heartlands Hospital ED Birmingham
there is some confusion and inconsistency about terminology but it doesn't cause any great problems and I think there is more consistent use of ED now so A&E is going backwards and if anything creating more confusion
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1. ED or A&E - urgent (10)
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:47:36 +0000
From: Steve Meek <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: ED or A&E - urgent
Help please
Our managers are currently deciding to sign the ED/ Trauma Centre in our swanky new PFI North Bristol Hospital hospital 'A&E' because they think patients get confused if it is signed ' Emergency Department'.
Please can you tell me of any ED you know of signed 'Emergency Department' so I can produce a list, and of any problems you have heard of with s
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:13:37 +0000
From: Sarah Spencer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
Princess of Wales, Bridgend is definitely an Emergency Department in English (and Welsh (well, it doesn't translate exactly)).
I think the Wales EM community has close to won the debate with Welsh Government about the nomenclature... though changing signage across thd board will only happen when needed for another reason than simple semantics. It's not been easy - they tried the argument that they'd asked the public and the public wanted "A & E". Our recruitment difficulties provided leverage - "A & E" is out-dated and stuck in the mud and would not help us recruit if the rest of the world has "ED"s (which we assured them was very largely the case)
My place has an ED and has since 2006 when I got my way (!) - it's caused no problems at all.
Let's face it, we could put Naff Off (or similar) in white writing on a red background and still they'd know what our department is for.
Sarah Spencer
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On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:47, Steve Meek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Help please
>
> Our managers are currently deciding to sign the ED/ Trauma Centre in our swanky new PFI North Bristol Hospital hospital 'A&E' because they think patients get confused if it is signed ' Emergency Department'.
>
> Please can you tell me of any ED you know of signed 'Emergency Department' so I can produce a list, and of any problems you have heard of with such naming.
>
> Eternally grateful
> Steve Meek
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:52:26 -0000
From: Martyn Hodson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
Pinderfields and Dewsbury are Signed 'Emergency' or Emergency Dept
dpending on which signs you see
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:57:51 +0000
From: Jason Carty <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
Our new ED opened a year ago as Emergency Department. Numbers up 15% so I assume the public are fine with the nomenclature. You might not need the Irish translation!
Jason Carty
ED - Kerry General Hospital
On 9 Mar 2013, at 20:52, Martyn Hodson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Pinderfields and Dewsbury are Signed 'Emergency' or Emergency Dept dpending on which signs you see
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 21:03:34 +0000
From: mark nicol <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
Salford royal foundation trust emergency department
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On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:47, Steve Meek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Help please
>
> Our managers are currently deciding to sign the ED/ Trauma Centre in our swanky new PFI North Bristol Hospital hospital 'A&E' because they think patients get confused if it is signed ' Emergency Department'.
>
> Please can you tell me of any ED you know of signed 'Emergency Department' so I can produce a list, and of any problems you have heard of with such naming.
>
> Eternally grateful
> Steve Meek
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 21:06:11 +0000
From: Julian Humphrey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
Hi Steve,
We have been signed Emergency Department here in Barnsley for a number of years now.
Absolutely no issues.
Regards,
Julian Humphrey
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On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:47, Steve Meek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Help please
>
> Our managers are currently deciding to sign the ED/ Trauma Centre in our swanky new PFI North Bristol Hospital hospital 'A&E' because they think patients get confused if it is signed ' Emergency Department'.
>
> Please can you tell me of any ED you know of signed 'Emergency Department' so I can produce a list, and of any problems you have heard of with such naming.
>
> Eternally grateful
> Steve Meek
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 21:23:30 +0000
From: PAC Doctors <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
Both Leeds EDs are quite clearly marked as EDs- but seem to to be read as 'feeling a little off colour, come on in ( and brings a Friend)'
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On 9 Mar 2013, at 21:06, Julian Humphrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> We have been signed Emergency Department here in Barnsley for a number of years now.
>
> Absolutely no issues.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julian Humphrey
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:47, Steve Meek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Help please
>>
>> Our managers are currently deciding to sign the ED/ Trauma Centre in our swanky new PFI North Bristol Hospital hospital 'A&E' because they think patients get confused if it is signed ' Emergency Department'.
>>
>> Please can you tell me of any ED you know of signed 'Emergency Department' so I can produce a list, and of any problems you have heard of with such naming.
>>
>> Eternally grateful
>> Steve Meek
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 21:29:48 +0000
From: Sarah Spencer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
Steve, when you get a list of EDs vs A&Es compiled (I figure you'll get answers from elsewhere too) do you think you could post it? I'm sure there are plenty of people (almost every ED in Wales apart from mine) facing the same hassle and it might be useful?
Thank you
Sarah Spencer
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 22:16:51 +0000
From: Doc Holiday <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
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> Our managers ... tell me of any ED you know of signed 'Emergency Department' so I can produce a
list, and of any problems you have heard of with such naming.
--> I think you are wasting your time. Here's why:1. You appear to be searching for EVIDENCE in an attempt to convince MANAGERS. Wrong medium. You should look at cost. If it's a cost-neutral decision (i.e. there are no road signs or other bits you'd have to change to "ED" instead of what is likely to currently say "A&E" nor any other costs) then let them do whichever. Who cares?2. I have certainly heard of people who don't initially realise what an ED is - some of those are healthcare professionals. Some of our GPs still call it "casualty". I don't think it makes a difference 'cause everyone still walks/drives to the only red sign with white writing - not sure anyone reads the sign, unless they're colour-blind... If your managers really care about whether people will be confused then they will also be aware of this3. If you're really in a hurry to get numbers, go on GOOGLE. Just search through the websites of various Trusts and you'll see that there are those who call it either and many use both - one huge PFI in our region has it listed as "A&E" on the website, but it says "ED" on the paperwork and signs... Patients still attend...4. If YOU really want it to be "ED" (which is what I assume) then you've probably got a better chance to convince managers by telling them that, which is the truth, rather than looking for evidence to support a "case"5. It IS "A&E" as far as so many organisations are concerned. For example, this is what the NHS tells patienst that it is... http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/Emergencyandurgentcareservices/Pages/AE.aspx
Personally, I prefer "ED", but not sufficiently to argue and I pplan to hold fire on the issue unless/until they try to make it "Casualty" again - THEN I'll argue...
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 22:32:05 +0000
From: Alan Montague <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ED or A&E - urgent
What about: ---
"Accident OR Emergency Department"
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:47:36
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Subject: ED or A&E - urgent
Help please
Our managers are currently deciding to sign the ED/ Trauma Centre in our swanky new PFI North Bristol Hospital hospital 'A&E' because they think patients get confused if it is signed ' Emergency Department'.
Please can you tell me of any ED you know of signed 'Emergency Department' so I can produce a list, and of any problems you have heard of with such naming.
Eternally grateful
Steve Meek
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