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Re: Does it matter if the network had / has a “common direction” that in any way, shape or form might be called ‘political’ ?

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Mike Stubbs <[log in to unmask]>

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Mike Stubbs <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:19:02 +0000

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...lurking on the edges...and just travelling back form the opening of

*"YES MAN DOES WHAT IT IS"
The editions of Galerie Erhard Klein
1972 - 2006*

http://www.bonner-kunstverein.de/ausstellungen/aktuell/sieht-man-ja-was-es-ist-die-editionen-der-galerie-erhard-klein/

highly recommended and hopefully can travel to the uk

a testament to a social network (rhineland) and one which influences such
so much of our practice - be it new media or performative ...in the
situation and encouraging new forms of social democracy

klein was is a clever fella and at the time had the curiosity to
befriend-learn-deal: Polke, Beuys, Kippengberger, Klauke and so on

todays event was full of middle aged artists friends and family - but what
i took form the event (apart form seeing wonderful artwork) was *family* and
a reminder of how things just happen through groups of people swarming

and then of course there is the digital stuff.....

more on that another day

mike



On 17 February 2013 18:22, Barnaby Dicker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This post is loosely intended as a response to some aspects of Clive’s
> lucid and meaty post of last Monday.
>
> Clive opens by stating that we should ‘consider what the network is or was
> [...] before calling its project organizing an “artwork” (and what is the
> hoped for gain of this description – for whom is it being described as
> such: for artists, critics, research funders, taxpayers, etc.?).’
>
> On one hand this is absolutely right and necessary, and yet, at the same
> time, this makes a severance where there should perhaps not be one. i.e.
> for our discussion we are considering the curation of the network as
> artwork. We do well to remember that Filliou’s Eternal Network of Permanent
> Creation connects all artists across time and space. Just as we also do
> well to remember Filliou’s (amongst others’) project of ‘decommissioning’
> the artist (the name, the role) and making time and space for everyone to
> see their activities in creative terms.
>
> Personally, for better or worse, I was immediately pleased to see Roddy’s
> unabashed use of the word ‘artwork’ in the discussion topic title. While I
> have a lot of time for ‘decommissionist’ / revisionist antics and ideas, I
> also feel that we stray into the realm of delusion when we call our
> activities something other than art. However close our work might come to
> political activism, social regeneration, therapy, philosophy, free market
> capitalism, etc. it is still art. If it wasn’t, we simply couldn’t frame it
> in these terms. I feel we can, and should, take some pride in art. Just as
> those in other fields should take pride in what they do. Art is only a
> dirty word if we make it one.
>
> The way I approach my ‘network’ work is as an artist/curator. It means
> generating particular forms of creative/meaningful exchange with other
> people that might be different to other creative/meaningful exchanges. Eg.
> for Art’s Birthday this year we approached a local ‘specialist cake
> designer’ to make 12 cake designs chosen at random from 150+ designs that
> we had received following an open call. The ‘novelty’ (possibly the wrong
> word) of this ricochets through all levels (including Council Health and
> Saftey regulations). So, something that might seem superficial can actually
> carry great complexity and substance – defined by and through the
> contributors and contributions over and above the concept. The importance
> of the concept, then, lies in generating something that can structure or
> frame or inspire the activities that really form the work. Needless to say,
> the cakes were eaten by all those who attended the Art’s Birthday
> celebration.
>
> I suppose I have decided that I would like to spend a significant portion
> of my life taking part in creative exchanges. Sometimes I initiate them,
> sometimes I am invited to take part. Sometimes they go somewhere, sometimes
> they don’t. Sometimes I enjoy them, sometimes I don’t. I can either think
> of creative exchange as a whole, in general or I can break it down to a
> project by project basis. I see Filliou’s system playing on this tension
> between perceiving an endless stream of creativity and a compartmentalised,
> rationalised collection of things done and felt.
>
> To end. An interesting issue thrown up by Clive’s post concerns what we
> consider ‘official’ theory/philosophy and how we legitimate ‘unofficial’
> theory/philosophy through ‘official’ theory/philosophy. Clive brings in
> Hall and Williams to reiterate/support/substantiate Filliou. Following
> Clive’s intervention (as but one example), does this now mean that Filliou
> can be used in the same way as we do Hall and Williams? Are Hall and
> Williams now open to accusations of copying Filliou (given the sequence of
> presentations)? Or are they seen to be working in such separate fields that
> the congruence is merely coincidental, and purely affirmative of the shared
> project?
> Considering ‘La fete permanente,’ it occurs to me presently that what is
> at stake is the degree of importance we ascribe the ‘carnival’ to the
> ‘normal’ running of society and the terms of their relationship. Does
> ‘cultural theory’ et al belong to the carnival or to ‘normal’ society? And
> what kind or degree of impact do we acknowledge the two sides have on each
> other? Can we cleanly split these two realms? Is it inappropriate to do so?
> Should we look to Filliou and his collaborators for answers? Or to their
> inheritors? Or to other theorists and historians? Or to society directly?
>
> Barnaby
>



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