Hi Dave,
All credit to you for running this list.
As far as shift in attitudes in the academy are concerned, I suspect there
is a huge ammount of prejudice out there, but my experience is that it
always disappears once it is found that academics in this area are not mad
evangelicals, but hold to the same standards of rigour as are expected
across the academy.
Nick
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From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
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Sent: 12 February 2013 13:35
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Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Marginality
Thanks a lot Ruth, Lita and Mike,
What surprised me was not the prejudice on show so much as the lack of
understanding about the nature of the list and what people have tried to do
in recent years to give the academic study of magic some credibility within
the academy. So beyond the personal unpleasantness - luckily moderating the
list has thickened my skin to the point of elephant hide - does the list
think that there has been a shift in attitudes within the academy or are we
still operating very much at the margins and tolerated with suspicion?
Dave
Dr Dave Green
Senior Lecturer in Sociology, University of the West of England, Bristol, UK
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Sent: 12 February 2013 13:11
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Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Dear List ...
Hi Dave,
I have been 'lurking' on this list for a few years now and always find it a
useful and professional source of good academic information.
Prof. Segal's behavior was unacceptable on a number of occasions and he was
given more than enough chances to change it. His expulsion from this list
is both deserved and well overdue, regardless of his academic credentials.
Thankfully, as far as his behavior and attitude is concerned, he is not
representative of academics in general. Thanks for exercising good judgment
in removing him from this list.
Cheers!
Mike
www.esoteric-experience.org.uk
Mystical Experience Required, Enquire Within!
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From: "David Green" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Dear List ...
Dear list-members,
I thought that I would share this with you. Since the deletion of Prof
Robert Segal following his many spats with N.W. Azal, I have received a
number of increasingly abusive offlist rants - to which I won't reply
because they are pompous, self-regarding and hysterical - regarding his
disbelief that he was deleted. This is his latest (and thought I would share
because this is clearly what he thinks of the contributors here):
"Your list seems to attract C-listers: nonacademics, career PhD students,
and staffers at former polytechnics.
You never did recognize the difference between disagreement and bigotry. It
is you who should have been apologizing to me.
Our paths will never cross again.
RS
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No
SC013683."
Ironically, he sought my advice about setting up his the myth JISCMAIL list
because of the positive experiences he had on here. I like the man as an
academic, though I often disagree with his takes on Jung and Campbell, but
honestly, is this what academia is about? It's just depressing ...
Dave=
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