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Subject:

Re: Be (g)ebyst?

From:

Geraint Lovgreen <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion of Welsh language technical terminology and vocabulary <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 4 Jan 2013 10:21:02 -0000

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Nid ti oedd yn bod yn gas, siwr iawn, Siân. Ond mae na ambell un, os 
darlleni di'n ôl drwy'r edefyn yma! (sydd bellach wedi newid ei enw yn 
anffodus, fel na fydd modd gweld diwedd y sgwrs yn yr archifau mewn 
blynyddoedd i ddod...)

Mae "Gest ti byst?" yn swnio'n iawn i mi hefyd!

Bydd raid cytuno i anghytuno, mewn ysbryd cwrtais a chyfeillgar wrth gwrs! 
;-)

Geraint

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sian Roberts" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Be (g)ebyst?


Hm! Fel rheol, pan fydd gair yn dechrau ag "e-" mae modd tynnu'r "e-" a 
gadael gweddill y gair. Hynny yw, atodiad yw'r "e-". Allwch chi ddim gwneud 
hynny ag "ebyst".  "Gest ti byst?"

Hefyd, i ateb cwestiwn Gorwel, dwi'n meddwl bod "negeseuon ebost" yn golygu 
"negeseuon (sy'n dod trwy'r) ebost".

Dydw i ddim yn bod yn gas, Geraint, nac yn galw am wahardd dim - jest treio 
meddwl beth sydd orau. Dyna'n gwaith ni!

Hwyl

Siân


On 2013 Ion 4, at 8:59 AM, Gorwel Roberts wrote:

> Bore da,
>
> Ar lafar wrth siarad mae ebyst yn gwneud synnwyr seinegol imi ond fedra' i 
> ddim dychmygu dweud 'ebostiau'.
>
> Cwestiwn gwirion o bosib - Petaen ni'n dweud 'negeseuon ebost' a fyddai 
> disgwyl i 'ebost' fod yn y lluosog i gytuno efo 'negeseuon'? ac os felly 
> be fyddai'r lluosog?
>
> Sori, heb ddeffro'n iawn
>
> gorwel
>
> -----Neges Wreiddiol/Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of Welsh language technical terminology and vocabulary 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Ar ran/On Behalf Of Geraint 
> Lovgreen
> Sent: 04 January 2013 00:23
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ebyst
>
> Fel jôc? Cyfryngis?  Hyll ac anghyson?  Waw, mae dadl y garfan wrth-ebyst 
> yn troi'n hynod o ddilornus ac ymosodol.  Peidiwch â chymryd y peth mor 
> bersonol, dim ond gair ydio!!
>
> Geraint
>
> On 3 Ion 2013, at 21:55, Dafydd Tomos <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 03, 2013, Geraint Lovgreen wrote:
>>
>>> Yr hyn sydd gennym yma ydi carfan o bobl sydd eisiau gwahardd y term
>>> a charfan arall sy'n agored i'w dderbyn.
>>>
>>> Os nad ydych chi eisiau ei ddefnyddio, peidiwch. Wnaiff neb eich
>>> collfarnu. Ond peidiwch chithau â chollfarnu'r rhai sy'n dewis ei
>>> ddefnyddio. Mae pethau llawer gwaeth i boeni amdanyn nhw!!!!
>>
>> Mae'n dderbyniol ond ydi e'n safonol? Go brin.
>>
>> Beth sy'n ddiddorol yw pa 'garfan' wnaeth gyflwyno'r gair.
>>
>> Yn y 90au, fe wnaeth rhai pobl ddechrau defnyddio 'ebostiau' (sydd
>> ddim gwell neu gwaeth na ebyst). Fe welais i nifer o ddysgwyr yn bathu
>> hyn yn annibynnol am eu bod nhw, heb arweiniad, yn dilyn patrwm
>> naturiol o eiriau arall.
>>
>> (Yn bersonol o'n i ddim yn gweld yr angen, ond fe wnaeth y gair hynny
>> gael ei ddefnyddio gan y wasg, y BBC a rhai cyrff cyhoeddus).
>>
>> Wedyn tua 2002/3 fe fathwyd 'ebyst' fel joc ac yna cafodd ei hyrwyddo
>> gan grwp bychan o gyfryngis cymraeg. Unwaith mae gair yn y cyfryngau,
>> mae pobl yn dueddol o ddilyn fel defaid. Beth sy'n ddiddorol yw fod
>> e-byst yn cael ei groesawu fel rhyw fathiad anhygoel o glyfar er ei
>> fod yn air hyll ac anghyson.
>>
>> Mae'n amlwg fod rhai carfannau sy'n bathu geiriau yn bwysicach na'r
>> gweddill, yn enwedig os oes ganddyn nhw lwyfan cyhoeddus i ledu gair.
>>
>> Gweler hefyd 'popty ping' (joc cyfryngol arall).
>
>
> --
> Ymwadiad:
>
> Er y cymerir pob gofal posib i sicrhau cywirdeb unrhyw wybodaeth a chyngor 
> a roddir yn yr ohebiaeth hon, ni dderbynnir atebolrwydd am unrhyw 
> golledion a all godi o unrhyw gamgymeriadau sy'n gynwysedig ac fe'ch 
> atgoffir o'r angen i chi ofyn am gyngor proffesiynol eich hun.
>
> Bwriedir y neges ebost hon, ac unrhyw atodiadau iddi, at sylw'r person(au) 
> y'i danfonwyd atynt yn unig. Os nad chi yw'r derbynnydd y cyfeiriwyd y 
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> hon iddo ef neu hi, mi ddylech hysbysu'r anfonwr ar eich union. Oni bai 
> mai chi yw'r person neu gynrychiolydd y person y cyfeiriwyd y neges hon at 
> ef neu hi nid ydych wedi eich awdurdodi i, ac ni ddylech chi, ddarllen, 
> copio, dosbarthu, defnyddio na chadw'r neges hon nac unrhyw gyfran ohoni.
>
> O dan y Ddeddf Amddiffyn Data 1998 a Deddf Rhyddid Gwybodaeth 2000 gellir 
> datgelu cynnwys y negest ebost hon.
>
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