For what it's worth, to agree with Andrew somewhat, if it's Kerouac of whom we speak, he doesn't excite much on the page any more. It was his charge and his relentlessness that enticed but now much of it looks like blather. Bukowski I have more time for, notwithstanding his treatment of women. Do you so consign Tolstoy and others? Buk and even Hunter Thompson, if I can extend the bracketing, did create exaggerated alter egos and arguably overplayed them. But there is a sharpness of observation in the best of Buk and an appreciation for what lies beneath what has been soiled (something like that). I mean he can strip the veneer off and see and say well. OK, he mines a lot of the same territory, but 'repatitive crap' is hardly fair.
Cheers,
Bill
On 21/12/2012, at 2:59 AM, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hey Andrew at least the best Beats wrote real poetry, so you neednt apologize for liking them...; ddint we all?
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> Doug
> On 2012-12-19, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> I agree. As a character, Buk is a 'fun' image of the wildman poet, but he
>> was such a bastard to women incl his wife, and such a repetitive and crap
>> poet that I can't see any literary attraction. To the moodswinging
>> drug-enthusiasts in their twenties, I can see the attraction - like I had
>> for all things Beat back then in my earliest days (late teens, early
>> twenties) ... Oh, well, even the editors of that magazaine are young Greek
>> guys, in the main, with fun as their flag but a serius purpose beneath.
>> Keeping that mag going is my interest in it - it comes out of the West but
>> needs the East's subscriptions and backing to stay alive.
>>
>> Cheers -
>>
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>> Andrew
>> PS: Send 'em a poem ... They need the quality.
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>> On 20 December 2012 03:26, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> Well, I like on of the Bs, but could never understand peoples' interest in
>>> the other...
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>>> Doug
>>> On 2012-12-19, at 3:46 AM, Andrew Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>>> Take a look! Let your lowlife win you high praise - and a cash prize.
>>>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
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>>>> Andrew
>>>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
>>>> 'Undercover of Lightness'
>>>> http://walleahpress.com.au/recent-publications.html
>>>> 'Shikibu Shuffle'
>>> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/new-from-aboveground-press-shikibu.html
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>>> Douglas Barbour
>>> [log in to unmask]
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>>> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/
>>> http://eclecticruckus.wordpress.com/
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>>> Latest books:
>>> Continuations & Continuations 2 (with Sheila E Murphy)
>>> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=962
>>> Wednesdays'
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>>> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
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>>> Swept snow, Li Po,
>>> by dawn’s 40-watt moon
>>> to the road that hies to office
>>> away from home.
>>>
>>> Lorine Niedecker
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>> --
>> Andrew
>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
>> 'Undercover of Lightness'
>> http://walleahpress.com.au/recent-publications.html
>> 'Shikibu Shuffle'
>> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/new-from-aboveground-press-shikibu.html
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> Douglas Barbour
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> Latest books:
> Continuations & Continuations 2 (with Sheila E Murphy)
> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=962
> Wednesdays'
> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
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> Swept snow, Li Po,
> by dawn’s 40-watt moon
> to the road that hies to office
> away from home.
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